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This is absolutely fair, Washington Prime has made Classen Curve the best for sure, it is honestly by a mile, the only shopping center in OKC that I regularly buy things from. I mean again, it wasn't...

Oh for sure, yeah I was assuming as much, like I said my frustration was not with people or developers or orgs, it's with the realities of the market and the perception of the city itself. It's with...

Actually, I completely agree Pete, it hasn't been true in a long time which was the point I was making, it used to be true, but it hasn't been in a while. OKC is absolutely the choice destination...

lol none of this is young and trendy, I am 43 years old, I am a product designer and I've never lived outside of Oklahoma City,

This is a list of most popular mens brands from Mens Health a VERY...

Yes, but this is the outdated perception I'm talking about. The Tulsa market has long been the first to market for retail, due to it's proximity to a lot of small markets in Arkansas and Southern...

ok so there are a few things of note here, and really I won't be snarky about it.

1) Yes there are reasons. Obviously our national political perception is pretty problematic, and is a factor. But...

Actually that was my wife, lol

and I'm glad you found the one that is mostly an online brand to pick at, again, you guys are funny

lol at anyone that acts like the rents at the Spaniard can be supported but think we can't support a store that can sell me an actual modern suit or shirt not made in china, or sustainably produced...

I am reading the room, that's the problem. I'm like, what do you guys all live in deep suburbs or something?!?! I see these products on people in OKC all the time, and they are not even remotely...

I mean Pete, I've been here for the long haul, but I'm 100% serious, this is a category that is constantly a "we're lucky to get what we get" consensus from you guys, and yeah sorry, it's very...

I mean my wife laughed and was like, I think a ton of people would just be happy here if we could at least move up to Everlane level, which, talk about NOT NICHE, is basically just the replacement...

lol my comment about Nordstrom was just I'd personally like one, and I don't think its outrageous, I'm not asking for a Neimans, but to think that OKC Dillards or Von Maur is up to that level is just...

This actually just isn't true, nothing at Dillards isn't cheap Chinese made crap, they don't have a single line that isn't a hedge fund owned brand that just contract manufactures overseas.
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Absolutely, retail supports retail, this is the main shopping hub for a huge chunk of Oklahoma in general. Especially in the case of large destination retailers like department stores and brand...

As someone that runs and designs products for an industrial automation software company, this does not upset me.

But yeah, what's really amazing is that the oil and gas business used to have this...

lol, now if we want to talk about old and wacky, not good, but unique enough to matter, how is coney Island still open?!?! That one is literally my dads favorite and while it is terrible food wise, I...

+1 on this, as a 3-4 times a year hardcore Northern New Mexico visitor the idea that El Coyote is supposed to be New Mexican food, which if anything is overly flavorful, is pretty bonkers to me....

Oh yeah fully believed, I just had no idea anything about it because 170th street, in terms of me eating a dinner, may as well be in Wichita Kansas

I mean, I have felt it was awful for decades. It was mostly a like, zillion square feet donut shop, and they weren't even one of the best donut shops. The service was always bad, it was always pretty...

oh yeah I mean "craft beer" is just default beer now. But it isn't the boom that it was 10 years ago, boom is over, the ones that are good are just breweries now, and craft beer is just "beer" now....

I hope it passes today so we can just move on to being super demanding pricks about hiring a great architect.

I just need this to be pretty y'all

This would be my hope, I think it will be slimmer than it should, 55/45ish, but I think it will pass.

I hope the mayor and the chamber are learning a lesson tho that their messaging ahead of...

man, Shartel cafe is a gem, like food is pretty meh, but their price for an omelet and a coffee will make you think it's like 1998, it makes me so happy

Yuzo - place was cool, but never even remotely marketed well at all, like AT ALL
Ludivine - RIP a little piece of me dies with this
Osteria - this place was literally never good, I wanted it to be,...

I've been wondering what "all the restaurant closings" talk was all about but this list is no big deal really. Cafe do Brasil was great but the owner was just straight up, I always planed to quit...