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It's kinda funny. China actually has a more progressive environmental policy than the United States right now. For the nation that releases 25% of the world's pollution, you would think we would be in more of a leadership role in the global concern.
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I have done extensive research (20 to 30 minutes), but I think the global warming deal is overhyped...Sure there has been some warming over centuries, but haven't seen anything that alarms me...I think the earth just goes through long term climate shifts and possibly influenced slightly by humans
Katrina and May 3rd I think where just freak weather disturbances and have nothing to do with global warming...All global warming alarmists came out of the woodworks with the bad hurricane season in '05 and predicting another horrible season in '06....Didn't see much of those guys last year for some reason Bet you money they pop right back up when another freak storm comes along
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We notice storms like Katrina and May 3 more because we inhabit larger parts of the land now. And if you build along the ocean, especially in the Gulf of Mexico, you're gonna get hit by a hurricane eventually.
I'm not saying global warming doesn't exist, because I very much believe it does. How much of an impact humans have on it, I don't know. The climate of the earth has changed many times since its beginning, and it will continue to do so, with or without us.
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I think the freak weather occurances just bring more attention to the issue. While I do not think Global Warming was a highly significant factor in disasters such as Katrina, I believe it is still occuring.
The impending water crisis in central Asia, the drying up of the Ogallala aquifer which affects much of the midwest, the ever increasing monsoons of South Asia, the more intense storms of Europe all suggest the Earth is changing. While all of this is a natural occurance, it is naive to suggest that we as humans are not at least partially responsible for the increase. Yes, the temperatures are increasing to a degree, but it is irresponible to suggest that this is completely natural and we have not significantly contributed to the increase. Look at the graph that goes back 400,000 years: the degree of the increase should be enough to cause widespread concern.
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Professor Stephen Hawking, the mathematician at Cambridge Univ. that has been compared to Albert Einstein and is perhaps the smartest guy alive today, released a press statement yesterday talking about how we are now at the dawn of our second nuclear age and also facing unprecedented climate change and that scientists have a responsibility to educate the public and world leaders that these threats are very real and that we can change things.
Also this week was a story run on the Oklahoman's editorial page, apparently concluding that climate change for the entire planet for the last several centuries was somehow a myth because one place on the globe, Oklahoma, had a week-long cold spell last week. Amazing. |
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And a mathematician is an expert on nuclear matters and climatology — how, exactly?
Regarding that cute little graph: correlation does not prove causation. I could track gas prices and Paris Hilton sightings over the past ten years, and they'd match up rather nicely for most of the curve, but it doesn't prove a thing. |
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Although I agree regarding causation, the difference here is that most climatologists are converging on the idea that human activity is aiding the warming to some degree or causing it all together. There are a number of pieces of evidence pointing them in this direction. I don't remember them off-hand but can look them up later.
Mathematician doesn't quite do Stephen Hawking justice. He has done advanced work in cosmology, quantum mechanics, string theory, astronomy, etc. He is responsible for the modern understanding of black holes and is the person that "Hawking Radiation" is named for. Astronomy and cosmology often involve the study of other planets, including their weather patterns and climates. |
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So did you all hear the one about the Global Warming Convention at Lawton's Cameron U that was canceled last week .... something about being iced in.
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And 30 years ago they were 90% sure we were heading into another ice age. There's also emerging evidence that climatic changes are affected in large part by solar activity cycles. Either way, I'm not prepared to make drastic changes to our economy based on a hunch.
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Is that the facts or is that your great life experience and expertise speaking?
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Great, now, we can add meteorologist to the list.
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We do have a responsibility to learn and educate ourselves as much as possible.. and err on the side of caution. This is the planet we are leaving our children and their children... if there is even a question that we might be able to influence positive change, we should explore it.
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...And you lived where in the 60"s? California.. why?
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Are you actually saying that in between sitting at the knees of every well known elder/mentor/politician absorbing valuable political, geological, sociological expertise you had time to actually track the weather with your handy dandy thermometer?
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I forgot to add. My Quail Creek cave was mighty nice... And cool in the hot summer tempratures that equal those in the current decade. |
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Since the 1960s we are talking about warming of fractions of a degree to a degree or two. It is unlikely that the average human would be able to discern such changes without records-keeping and reviewing data. Besides, remember that we are talking about the global average temperature here, e.g. average the temperature of OKC, Moscow, Sydney, etc. With an average one city could even be getting colder while others get much warmer, and the average is still a slight increase. The hard data is in, the global average climate is changing. No one disputes this, even Sen. Jim Inhofe admits/agrees that the Earth is warming. The only thing that people are disputing is what is causing the warming. |
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