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Old 01-24-2006, 12:56 PM
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The Bush administration is bracing for impeachment hearings in Congress.

"A coalition in Congress is being formed to support impeachment," an administration source said.

Sources said a prelude to the impeachment process could begin with hearings by the Senate Judiciary Committee in February. They said the hearings would focus on the secret electronic surveillance program and whether Mr. Bush violated the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Administration sources said the charges are expected to include false reports to Congress as well as Mr. Bush's authorization of the National Security Agency to engage in electronic surveillance inside the United States without a court warrant. This included the monitoring of overseas telephone calls and e-mail traffic to and from people living in the United States without requisite permission from a secret court.

Sources said the probe to determine whether the president violated the law will include Republicans, but that they may not be aware they could be helping to lay the groundwork for a Democratic impeachment campaign against Mr. Bush.

"Our arithmetic shows that a majority of the committee could vote against the president," the source said. "If we work hard, there could be a tie."

The law limits the government surveillance to no more than 72 hours without a court warrant. The president, citing his constitutional war powers, has pledged to continue wiretaps without a warrant.

The hearings would be accompanied by several lawsuits against the administration connected to the surveillance program. At the same time, the Electronic Privacy Information Center has filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit that demands information about the NSA spying.

Sen. Arlen Specter, Senate Judiciary Committee chairman and Pennsylvania Republican, has acknowledged that the hearings could conclude with a vote of whether Mr. Bush violated the law. Mr. Specter, a critic of the administration�s surveillance program, stressed that, although he would not seek it, impeachment is a possible outcome.

"Impeachment is a remedy," Mr. Specter said on Jan. 15. "After impeachment, you could have a criminal prosecution. But the principal remedy under our society is to pay a political price."

Mr. Specter and other senior members of the committee have been told by legal constitutional experts that Mr. Bush did not have the authority to authorize unlimited secret electronic surveillance. Another leading Republican who has rejected the administration's argument is Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas.

On Jan. 16, former Vice President Al Gore set the tone for impeachment hearings against Mr. Bush by accusing the president of lying to the American people. Mr. Gore, who lost the 2000 election to Mr. Bush, accused the president of "indifference" to the Constitution and urged a serious congressional investigation. He said the administration decided to break the law after Congress refused to change the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

"A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government," Mr. Gore said.

"I call upon members of Congress in both parties to uphold your oath of office and defend the Constitution,� he said. �Stop going along to get along. Start acting like the independent and co-equal branch of American government that you are supposed to be under the constitution of our country."

Impeachment proponents in Congress have been bolstered by a memorandum by the Congressional Research Service on Jan. 6. CRS, which is the research arm of Congress, asserted in a report by national security specialist Alfred Cumming that the amended 1947 law requires the president to keep all members of the House and Senate intelligence committees "fully and currently informed" of a domestic surveillance effort. It was the second CRS report in less than a month that questioned the administration's domestic surveillance program.

The latest CRS report said Mr. Bush should have briefed the intelligence committees in the House and Senate. The report said covert programs must be reported to House and Senate leaders as well as the chairs of the intelligence panels, termed the "Gang of Eight."

Administration sources said Mr. Bush would wage a vigorous defense of electronic surveillance and other controversial measures enacted after 9/11. They said the president would begin with pressure on Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Mr. Bush would then point to security measures taken by the former administration of President Bill Clinton.

"The argument is that the American people will never forgive any public official who knowingly hurts national security," an administration source said. "We will tell the American people that while we have done everything we can to protect them, our policies are being endangered by a hypocritical Congress."
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Old 01-24-2006, 01:21 PM
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It may get out of committee, but no farther.

I look forward to this, it should be enlightening. The Republican Party could do the right thing and cut Bush loose, but I sincerely doubt that will happen. Partisanship will prevail, and the President will remain above the law.

I consider myself a conservative, and GWB is no conservative.
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Old 01-26-2006, 09:10 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what conservative values do you espouse?
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Old 01-26-2006, 09:34 AM
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Quite a few more than Mr. Bush.

As far as the President who has been responsible for growing the government at an unprecedented level, grown the deficit faster than any Democrat since FDR (and he had an excuse), accomplished nothing major in his term except some sweetheart legislation for credit card companies... yeah, I'd have to say that his conservative credentials are pretty piss poor.
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:15 AM
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Wow.. I know why you are in law school, mid! ;~) You are pretty good at evading questions! I believe he asked you what your veiws were, not to rehash what you believe to have gone on during the president's term. "Quite a few more than Mr. Bush." is pretty subjective!
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:25 AM
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It's an overly broad question. "What conservative values do you support"? Heck, first off, you have to define what conservative values are. That's a topic in and of itself. If you talk to people across the educational and philisophical spectrum, you'll find that there are about as many definitions of "conservative" as there are self-identified conservatives.

For example, I would argue that many on the religious right are not conservative in the least, and we can start there if you'd like.

I think that we can all agree that smaller government is something that all conservatives would support. I think the record is clear that Bush doesn't place that very high on his list of priorities.

The Republican congress of 1994 was pretty darned conservative (a few things on their agenda I'd take issue with), the congress of today? Not even in the same ballpark.
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:36 AM
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But you should know what you believe, right? So, if there are as many definitions for "conservative" as you say that there are, then you yourself, by some people's definition, may not be conservative? It's all about what you as an idividual believes? In other words, it's all subjective?
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:37 AM
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Can we get back to topic and off the Bush bashing. Besides if Bush were to get impeached wouldn't that put Cheney in charge?
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But you should know what you believe, right? So, if there are as many definitions for "conservative" as you say that there are, then you yourself, by some people's definition, may not be conservative? It's all about what you as an idividual believes? In other words, it's all subjective?
There are some things which are clearly conservative and some things which clearly are not. For example, a widely accepted maxim of conservatism is that we believe in minimal intrusion of the government into our personal lives. Another is that a conservative prefers self-reliance and hard work to being dependant on the government to put food on our table.

I think it's difficult to argue that Bush in growing the government both in terms of size and in terms of its ability to interfere/intrude on our personal lives and privacy could under no circumstances be considered conservative.

Much of it is subjective, but much of it isn't.
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Old 01-28-2006, 12:39 PM
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osupa, you like Hillary right?
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Old 01-29-2006, 03:07 PM
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Ah yes, an unnamed source, with their own political agenda, says "false reports to congress" and without verification a reporter has a scoup and rushes to print. All I can do is hope that there's enough common sense in Washington to keep these hearings behing closed doors. Find out what is really going on, ignore the hype, and determine the legality of the adminstrations actions. Just keep the details of these sensetive operations secret.

Now you can see why I'm so worried, from here it appears that common sense is a scarce commodity inside the beltway where partisan politics reigns supreme. Forget the country, our party must overcome, no matter the cost! Yes, that comment was for both partys.
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Old 01-29-2006, 03:24 PM
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Jack.. I've never met Hiliary in person, so I can't form an opinion about her.
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Old 01-29-2006, 03:39 PM
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I like Hillary, does that count?
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I like Hillary, does that count?
I'm sorry you like Hillary...I'll send you a sympathy card...
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Can we get back to topic and off the Bush bashing. Besides if Bush were to get impeached wouldn't that put Cheney in charge?
I like Bush bashing. It isn't like the dude has done anything good for this country. Stock market has gone nowhere. Economy has gone nowhere. We're losing jobs. We're fighting a war we can't win. Our national debt is through the roof. Osama is on the run. Abortion is legal. Rich people are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer. Want me to go on?

Putting Cheney in charge would be the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party.
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