Thread: After todays school shooting, is you opinion on gun control the same?

Originally Posted by stick47

No he didn't. They found 17 magazines at the scene and discovered that 170 shots were fired.

Seung-Hui Cho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It only mentions 10 rd magazines.

I've seen other articles saying 15 and 30 round clips

Originally Posted by onthestrip

I've seen other articles saying 15 and 30 round clips

So? Weren't you on board with the theory that stopping to reload would have made the difference in the number of casualties? Doesn't 31 dead and 17 magazines recovered belie any of that? He brought in two handguns and reloaded 15 times!

Originally Posted by Easy180

Fail

Fail may azz! You got owned and now you're copping out. No ethics at all. You have a habit that if you can't win you change the rules, deny reality then you pretend you won. I surely hope you don't think anyone's being fooled by your tactics. What a poor excuse for a rebuttal. "Fail" <LOL>

Originally Posted by stick47

So? Weren't you on board with the theory that stopping to reload would have made the difference in the number of casualties? Doesn't 31 dead and 17 magazines recovered belie any of that? He brought in two handguns and reloaded 15 times!

Still isn't a good argument for keeping them legal.

It almost sounds like you would prefer keeping them legal for purely selfish reasons.

What's selfish about it? I don't see it.

She needed a larger magazine.
Guns. Save. Lives.

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A woman hiding in her attic with children shot an intruder multiple times before fleeing to safety Friday.
The incident happened at a home on Henderson Ridge Lane in Loganville around 1 p.m. The woman was working in an upstairs office when she spotted a strange man outside a window, according to Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman. He said she took her 9-year-old twins to a crawlspace before the man broke in using a crowbar.
But the man eventually found the family.
“The perpetrator opens that door. Of course, at that time he’s staring at her, her two children and a .38 revolver,” Chapman told Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh.
The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said. He said the woman ran out of bullets but threatened to shoot the intruder if he moved.

Originally Posted by stick47

She needed a larger magazine.
Guns. Save. Lives.

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A woman hiding in her attic with children shot an intruder multiple times before fleeing to safety Friday.
The incident happened at a home on Henderson Ridge Lane in Loganville around 1 p.m. The woman was working in an upstairs office when she spotted a strange man outside a window, according to Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman. He said she took her 9-year-old twins to a crawlspace before the man broke in using a crowbar.
But the man eventually found the family.
“The perpetrator opens that door. Of course, at that time he’s staring at her, her two children and a .38 revolver,” Chapman told Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh.
The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said. He said the woman ran out of bullets but threatened to shoot the intruder if he moved.

Excellent example of why we should never (and won't ever) outlaw personal firearms ownership! Of course, I have no idea why you would think this is relevant to the topic a hand.

It was pointing out that after 6 shots (she missed on the first one) the assailant was still a threat to her and her children. The point being, the weapons that have large capacity magazines also have lower knockdown power. 9mm, AR-15, etc won't drop a perp like a .357 or .45. You can't buy a 10 shot .45 or .357. If you have it and don't need to use all of it, that's a hell of a lot better than you don't have it and do need it which was the case with this Lady (almost)

It is just me or does anyone else think these threads about the shootings in Newtown should be closed? Nothing really beneficial is being contributed to what has happened and I think these conversations are pointless and have gone on for too long. Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Easy180

Links?

Easy, just google it. There are a lot of left leaning websites that gloss over it but try "jammed magazine" and Giffords shooting. That might do it. Check newspapers and reputable links. I think even Wiki reported it. No question that the gun was reloaded but jammed. They kept reporting that he was jumped by bystanders but if you do the research, you'll see it isn't disputed following the investigation that the gun had been reloaded but was out of commission at that time. You just have to be careful and not rely on reports that came out within a week or so because it was full on things that they changed once the investigations were done.

Lines drawn in gun-control debate - The Washington Post

Safe to say this argument does not fall strictly along party lines...

Originally Posted by stick47

You can't buy a 10 shot .45 or .357...

Really? My Glock 21, 45-caliber, 13-round magazine says otherwise.

I stand corrected. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Of Sound Mind

Really? My Glock 21, 45-caliber, 13-round magazine says otherwise.

There's also a 27 round version...

Originally Posted by ThomPaine

There's also a 27 round version...

That would be an extended magazine. The standard magazine holds 13 rounds. No one that I know utilizes an extended clip as part of their regular, standard practice of (concealed or open) carry.

Originally Posted by Of Sound Mind

That would be an extended magazine. The standard magazine holds 13 rounds. No one that I know utilizes an extended clip as part of their regular, standard practice of (concealed or open) carry.

No one i know either. Of course, no one i know needs one, nor wants one, nor plans on needing one. Kinda stupid to even have that option, no?

Originally Posted by ThomPaine

No one i know either. Of course, no one i know needs one, nor wants one, nor plans on needing one. Kinda stupid to even have that option, no?

Stupid? No.
Necessary? No.
Do I want one? No.
Will I lose any sleep if a ban was instituted on these high-capacity magazines? No.
Will a ban on such high-capacity magazines end the madness? No.

Originally Posted by Bunty

Forget your point. Pro gun people, like PQ, will only bring up that law abiding people won't be able to defend themselves as effectively against shooters who have broken the law and have more than plenty of high capacity clips to use on them.

Hey, you are free to fall to your knees and beg for your life while waiting on 911 to get your location information. Maybe if you just try to "hug it out", everything will be alright.

Originally Posted by MadMonk

Hey, you are free to fall to your knees and beg for your life while waiting on 911 to get your location information. Maybe if you just try to "hug it out", everything will be alright.

Which I feel the real reason explaining why gun sales are well up is not because of Obama, but rather the increased need seen after these awful incidents to defend one's self from the mentally insane as well as from gun toting criminals.

Originally Posted by Bunty

Which I feel the real reason explaining why gun sales are well up is not because of Obama, but rather the increased need seen after these awful incidents to defend one's self from the mentally insane as well as from gun toting criminals.

I bought mine to protect me from the Tea Party Anarchists!

Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda

It is just me or does anyone else think these threads about the shootings
in Newtown should be closed?

Apparently it's just you. I see no reason to close the thread.

Originally Posted by Prunepicker

Apparently it's just you. I see no reason to close the thread.

idk. It was just a thought. It don't know what else can be added to what has happened and it seems like the same points are being brought up over and over. The subject points are also starting to enter another dimension. But, hey. Don't let me kill the party.

Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda

idk. It was just a thought. It don't know what else can be added to what has
happened and it seems like the same points are being brought up over and over.
The subject points are also starting to enter another dimension. But, hey.
Don't let me kill the party.

Maybe you haven't noticed but it happens on every thread. If threads were
closed for the reason you gave for this one then every thread would need to
be closed.

Originally Posted by Prunepicker

Maybe you haven't noticed but it happens on every thread. If threads were
closed for the reason you gave for this one then every thread would need to
be closed.

I guess. lol