Thread: Today's benevolent offerings from the "religion of peace".

A lot like the group of fakers and liars you are a part of, Christian extremists. Here's a site debunking that favorite hate site you keep posting unsubstantiated information from. It's owned and operated by a racist and known criminal.


http://www.chasingevil.org/2007/12/trop-website.html

Originally Posted by Double Edge

A lot like the group of fakers and liars you are a part of, Christian extremists. Here's a site debunking that favorite hate site you keep posting unsubstantiated information from. It's owned and operated by a racist and known criminal.


http://www.chasingevil.org/2007/12/trop-website.html

Does the fact that he is a criminal and a racist make what is said on his site more or less true?

(that's a rhetorical question)

Originally Posted by Midtowner

Does the fact that he is a criminal and a racist make what is said on his site more or less true?

(that's a rhetorical question)

Absolutely it calls into question everything he puts forth as truth, more so when it's presented without backup and "trust me because I said so" attitude, along with "please send me another donation."

Originally Posted by Midtowner

Does the fact that he is a criminal and a racist make what is said on his site more or less true?

(that's a rhetorical question)

I'm not one to believe anything a crook or a liar has to say because they will lie, steal and cheat without a second thought.

I am however surprised that PrunePicker would quote such a nefarious characterless character.

Originally Posted by Stew

I'm not one to believe anything a crook or a liar has to say because they will lie, steal and cheat without a second thought.

I am however surprised that PrunePicker would quote such a nefarious characterless character.

Because he doesn't care one bit about truth. He cares about his beliefs.

Originally Posted by Stew

I'm not one to believe anything a crook or a liar has to say because they will lie, steal and cheat without a second thought.

I am however surprised that PrunePicker would quote such a nefarious characterless character.

"This premise is unsound because the speaker is a liar and a cheat" is not a syllogistic argument. Not in the least.

Are you denying these things listed actually happened?

Helpful link:http://www.lmgtfy.com/

Originally Posted by Midtowner

"This premise is unsound because the speaker is a liar and a cheat" is not a syllogistic argument. Not in the least.

Are you denying these things listed actually happened?

Helpful link:http://www.lmgtfy.com/

Did you read the information on the site?

Are you defending TROP site as 100% accurate? 90%? 80%? 10%? Not accurate at all?

Originally Posted by Double Edge

Are you defending TROP site as 100% accurate?

Nope. I'm just pointing out that you haven't made a defensible argument as to why it is not accurate.

I linked the info. If you don't want to read it and follow up on, good for you. Keep eating PP's hate up.

Originally Posted by Midtowner

"This premise is unsound because the speaker is a liar and a cheat" is not a syllogistic argument. Not in the least.

Are you denying these things listed actually happened?

Helpful link:http://www.lmgtfy.com/

Are you affirming the things listed actually happened exactly as stated with inference it was due to Islam?

Originally Posted by Double Edge

I linked the info. If you don't want to read it and follow up on, good for you. Keep eating PP's hate up.

Ah yes. The scroll down thing worked its magic. I retract the above. Prune's site is indeed bullspit.

2010.10.12 (Paktika, Afghanistan) - A vicious Islamist RPG attack
leaves at least a half dozen civilians dead, including a woman and
two children.

Originally Posted by midtowner

i retract the above. prune's site is indeed bullspit.

based on what? i scanned the link but didn't see anything beyond character assasination... but i might've missed someting. if these 'reports' are completely bogus, this thread should not continue.

-M

Originally Posted by mmm

based on what? i scanned the link but didn't see anything beyond character assasination... but i might've missed someting. if these 'reports' are completely bogus, this thread should not continue.

-M

Oh, I think the reports are probably accurate. The blogger, however, has been shown conclusively to make up statistics out of thin air, post ignorant/racist/otherwise untrue material. It does call into question whether he can be trusted as an accurate conduit for anything.

Let's look at the most recent posting:

2010.10.12 (Paktika, Afghanistan) - A vicious Islamist RPG attack
leaves at least a half dozen civilians dead, including a woman and
two children.

"Vicious" = pure editorial.

"Islamist" = assumes to know the motivation of the attacks. "Islamist" sounds so much better than mercenaries who happened to be Muslim. We don't really know what's true here.

On second thought, it appears that this very well may be a fabrication. A Google news search for Pakistan RPG civilians yielded nothing remotely resembling this claim. I was looking for a Reuter's report and fully expected to find it. Does this fella source his material? If not, this thread ought to be locked.

perhaps my google-fu is better... i did find this article

i agree on the loaded language... just not sure that would be enough reason to lock the thread. -M

I bow to your superior google-fu.

Thanks for the link MMM.

SHARAN - A Taliban-fired rocket hit a vehicle in southwestern Paktika province on Tuesday, killing six civilians, the interior ministry said

So it was a Taliban attack. I wonder why the original quote substituted 'Islamic' for 'Taliban'.

Originally Posted by Stew

Thanks for the link MMM.

So it was a Taliban attack. I wonder why the original quote substituted 'Islamic' for 'Taliban'.

Maybe because the Taliban are islamic...devout followers...

Originally Posted by mmm

perhaps my google-fu is better... i did find this article

i agree on the loaded language... just not sure that would be enough reason to lock the thread. -M

From your link 'substantiating' the trash on TROP:

"Paktika governor's spokesman, Mukhlis Afghan, told Pajhwok Afghan News they had received reports about the incident. However, he said it was immediately not know who fired the rocket."

Hardly confirmation of the hate site blurb that it was Islamic extremists:

"A vicious Islamist RPG attack leaves at least a half dozen civilians dead, including a woman and two children."

Nobody knows who did what except some people died. I guess everyone in America who gets killed or hurt with criminal activity we can attribute to Christians.

From the site I linked. Yep, absolutely nothing inaccurate about the trash being posted here on OKCtalk:

PART 5: COMPARING TROP STATISTICS TO FACTS
Why is it a mistake for Reinsford to assume the motive for these acts of violence, or even assume they were committed by Muslims? To answer that, let’s look at an official charting of terror acts (note the difference between “terror acts” and “acts of terrorists”) compiled by the National Counterterrorism Center’s Worldwide Incidents Tracking System (NCTC) at the direction of the President and Congress, and found at in its raw form at http://www.hddweb.com/95376/Copy_of_...ist_Events.xls .
This vast database provides an authoritative and deeply researched list of incidents worldwide, occurring between 1/1/2004 and 12/7/2007, which have the potential to be terrorist incidents, once the motive and responsible parties are determined.

In August 2004, the President established the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) to serve as the primary organization in the United States Government (USG) for integrating and analyzing all intelligence pertaining to terrorism and counterterrorism (CT) and to conduct strategic operational planning by integrating all instruments of national power. In December 2004, Congress codified the NCTC in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) and placed the NCTC in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Located at the Liberty Crossing Building in Northern Virginia, the NCTC is a multi-agency organization dedicated to eliminating the terrorist threat to US interests at home and abroad.

In this government database, we find (in just this 4 year period) 71,378 incidents worldwide. These include bombings, armed attacks, car bombs, assassinations, suicide bombings, firebombings, assaults, kidnappings, and arson. This database verifies – where possible – the motive of the perpetrator and the group responsible for the attack(s), and classifies them accordingly.
The breakdown for these four years as charted is available at: http://wits.nctc.gov/crn2/cgi-bin/co...AciJyKSoAAAA_/
1/9/07 This list has now been updated and is at http://wits.nctc.gov/crn2/cgi-bin/cognos.cgi
The figures below may be slightly different in the udpate.
Christian Extremist 1,042
Environmental/Anti-Globalization 9
Islamic Extremist (Shia) 755
Islamic Extremist (Sunni) 4,984
Islamic Extremist (Unknown) 443
Jewish Extremist 16
Neonazi/Fascists/White Supremacists 1
Secular Political/Anarchist 17,118
Tribal/Clan/Ethnic 1,115
Unknown 45,895
Total: 71,378
As shown above, the majority of these attacks are classified as “Unknown” meaning either the perpetrator or the motive for the attack, or both, remain unknown. This does NOT show over 10,000 Muslim terrorist attacks, as the TROP List shows, and points to a major flaw in Reinsford’s methodology. 71,378 terrorist incidents between 1/1/2004 and 12/7/2007, of which 6,182 were motivated by Muslim religious extremism, equaling 8.66%, NOT the 80% that Reinsford erroneously claims.

Oh gosh, doubledge...now I can see the error of my ways. Yes, indeed, Islam is a wonderful religion of peace, roses, and kisses. It is what we should all adopt as our own religion. I can't wait for it to be the law of the land in fact. I can see it all now...no more theft because you get your hands cut off...no more adultery because you get stoned...no more of those damned Christians or Jews because they will all be destroyed. Embrace Islam!!!! Welcome the truly greatest days of humanity!!! Yayyyyy!!!!!

The Chasing Evil dot org dude, Reverend Jim Sutter, is a fraud.

http://www.phonyrev.com/pages/chasingevil.htm

Rev. Jim Sutter - Editor in Chief - revjimsutter@chasingevil.org

http://www.exposingsutter.com/

http://exposingsutter.blogtownhall.c...e-27a3f9ab8571

Response from Glenn Riensford http://www.phonyrev.com/pages/theTROPwebsite.htm

By the way, Islam is not a religion, it's a form of government...........

French police arrest 11 Islamic terrorist suspects

French anti-terrorist teams seize arms and ammunition after
swooping on suspects in Marseille, Avignon and Bordeaux.

French security forces arrested 11 suspected Islamic extremists
in raids across southern France today, reinforcing fears of a
renewed wave of terror attacks in Europe after warnings at the
weekend from the US and British governments.

The anti-terrorist police detained eight people in Marseille and
Avignon after an investigation into a Paris-based Muslim
organisation. Separately, three people were held near Bordeaux
and Marseille, amid growing fears of a strike by al-Qaida-affiliated
militants based in north Africa.

France has been on its second highest alert against a possible
terrorist attack for the past fortnight. The US government, in a
warning repeated by the British, issued a travel alert for Europe
at the weekend.

Speculation has centred on Germany as a target, apparently
based on information that a captured German militant gave US
interrogators in Kabul. Berlin has been dismissive, insisting there is
no intelligence to warrant an increased alert level.

French police said they found a Kalashnikov semi-automatic
machine gun, a pump-action shotgun and ammunition during the
raids. The detainees are suspected of arms trafficking. They are
being investigated for alleged links with "criminals linked to a
terrorist organisation".

In the second operation, two men were arrested in Marseille and
one in Bordeaux. Their details were found on the mobile of a
French-Algerian man, Ryad Hannouni, 28, arrested on Saturday in
Naples. He is suspected of leading an Islamic extremist group
sending youngsters to fight in Afghanistan. Italian police reportedly
found a bomb-making kit at his home.

Le Figaro said the three men arrested today were suspected of
finding accommodation and producing false papers for militants
returning to France from the Afghan-Pakistan border region.

Since militants executed a French hostage in north-west Africa in
July, Paris has become more embroiled in conflict with AQIM –
al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb – and last month warned of
possible attacks in Europe, senior European sources said.

A US drone killed five Germans in the Afghan-Pakistan border
area on Monday, Pakistani sources said. German authorities
declined to confirm details. Officials in Germany have been
scathing about what they see as US alarmism peddled before
midterm elections in November.