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GOP sweeps Virginia elections - Alexander Burns - POLITICO.com

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Republicans swept Virginia's statewide elections Tuesday, with gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell leading his party's ticket to victory up and down the ballot and scoring an early win for the national GOP.

McDonnell, a former state attorney general, won a decisive victory over Democratic state Sen. Creigh Deeds, bringing an end to eight years of Democratic control of the governor's office in Richmond and breaking a series of disappointing elections for Virginia Republicans.

Just a year after President Barack Obama won the state's electoral votes for the Democratic Party for the first time in 44 years, McDonnell, incumbent Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling and Republican attorney general candidate Ken Cuccinelli were elected easily over their Democratic opponents.

Deeds said he had called McDonnell to concede and told supporters, "We have challenges ahead. Those challenges aren't disappearing just because we didn't get the result we wanted. ... Thank you so much for allowing me to carry the banner."

Network exit polls showed that a starkly different electorate went to the polls in Virginia Tuesday than the one that elected Barack Obama in 2008. The proportion of voters under 30 dropped from 21 percent in 2008 to 10 percent today. Just 15 percent of the Virginia electorate was black this year, compared with 20 percent last year.

The Virginia governor's race was one of three closely fought elections unfolding Tuesday night. Along with New Jersey's gubernatorial campaign and a special congressional race in upstate New York, the Virginia contest has been closely watched for insight into the mood of the country, a year after Barack Obama's election last November.

Polls closed in New Jersey at 8 p.m. and in New York an hour later. In the Garden State, incumbent Gov. Jon Corzine has been locked in a close battle for reelection against Republican prosecutor Chris Christie. The two have been trading leads within the margin of error for weeks.

In the third contest — a special election in New York's 23rd congressional district — Democratic House candidate Bill Owens appeared to be lagging Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman in polling and turnout Tuesday. If the GOP sweeps all three elections Tuesday, it could be considered a sign of rising voter discontent with the Democratic Party's performance in Washington.

The White House played down the importance of all three contests Tuesday, with spokesman Robert Gibbs urging reporters not to read the evening's returns as a referendum on the president and his party.

"I don't think, looking at the two gubernatorial races, you can draw with any great insight what's going to happen a year from now," Gibbs said.

Tuesday evening, the president's spokesman told POLITICO that Obama wasn't following the results tonight closely, explaining: "He's not watching returns."

Early exit polling reported by CNN Tuesday evening suggested voters were not intentionally trying to send message to the White House with their ballots: Fifty-five percent of voters in Virginia and 60 percent of voters in New Jersey said their feelings toward the president did not affect their decision.

Among the remaining respondents, there was a close to even split between voters who said they were trying to support the president with their vote and those who were trying to rebuke him. In Virginia, 18 percent said they were trying to send the Obama administration a positive message, compared with 24 percent who said the opposite. In New Jersey, those numbers were 19 and 20 percent, respectively.

But House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) told McDonnell supporters in Richmond that they had sent a message to national politicians: "Enough with the incredible reach of government into our lives."

"Bob McDonnell has led us to victory after eight dark years in the wilderness," Cantor said, praising the governor-elect for running a kitchen-table campaign focused on economic issues: "You know what's so great: Bob ran a great campaign, but it was also a positive campaign."
Pretty much what was expected. McDonnell was by far the superior candidate in Virginia.
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Better wake up left wing Dems, this was a message.
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CNN projects Republicans win governor races in Virginia, New Jersey
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CNN projects Republicans win governor races in Virginia, New Jersey - CNN.com
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Old 11-03-2009, 10:45 PM
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Looks like the Democrat is going to win the NY23 race but by less than the 6% who still voted for Scozzafava though she had withdrawn from the race.
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:09 PM
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Looks like the Democrat is going to win the NY23 race but by less than the 6% who still voted for Scozzafava though she had withdrawn from the race.
This is a district that has been held by Republicans for over 100 years. Hopefully it will be a wakeup call for those who think the GOP need to move further right and exclude moderates.

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Actually, I think you can argue the opposite. Creigh Deeds was a very moderate Democrat in Virginia. He was criticized endlessly in the primary election for being not liberal enough for the party's base. McDonnell (R) was a very good candidate who had a very good, consistent message (jobs) and a very good campaign, where Deeds had no message and ran a horrible campaign. Also, McDonnell, a conservative, ran as a jobs oriented moderate and won in a landslide.

In New Jersey, you had a wildly unpopular incumbent governor who had a popularity at around 30 percent. Somehow he was able to make it to 45 percent in the election. That election was a battle of who the voters hated the least and the Republican narrowly won.

In both states, exit polls show that President Obama was not a factor in the decision of the voters. I know the media will try to make much to do about this election being a bad sign for Obama, but that simply is not the case, according to the voters. Local economic issues and candidate personalities prevailed in both Virginia and New Jersey. In New York, where conservatives tried to nationalize the election, they failed.
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:17 PM
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Another counterpoint:

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - CNN Poll: More Americans are saying that things are going well - Blogs from CNN.com

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The number of Americans who think things are going well in the country today is at its highest level in two years, according to a new national poll.

Thirty-seven percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Tuesday night say that things are going very well or fairly well in the country. That's the highest number since November 2007, just before the official beginning of the current recession. It also represents a 7-point gain since August and a 12-point gain since October of last year.
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Actually, I think you can argue the opposite. Creigh Deeds was a very moderate Democrat in Virginia. He was criticized endlessly in the primary election for being not liberal enough for the party's base. McDonnell (R) was a very good candidate who had a very good, consistent message (jobs) and a very good campaign, where Deeds had no message and ran a horrible campaign. Also, McDonnell, a conservative, ran as a jobs oriented moderate and won in a landslide.
Yes, he won in a landslide. Thats the bad message for the Dems that they need to lighten up on the socialist agenda.

The suprise was the NJ race which was supposed to be close but not a win for the Republicans. Again, its a message that the people are not happy with the wildly left swing of this administration.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:59 AM
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I live in Northern Virginia. I don't know ANYONE happy with the WH. And for the NJ democrats to not do better, even with an unpopular governor and repeated visits by the President to campaign for him says a lot. Obama won NJ by - what - 15 points? NJ has been creamed by the economy and their property taxes are killing them. What this says is that the democrats need to realize is that the President can't save them if the people aren't happy. It also signals that the democrats on congress (and yes, I realize this was a race for the governorship) who are on the fence have less to fear without presidential support, and less to gain with presidential support. If he keeps it up, the President will be a paper tiger.

I listened to all the ads on McDonnell and Deeds. None were particularly noteworthy. I can tell you without a shred of hesitation that people in this area just weren't going to vote for another democrat right now - period. McDonnell won by 5 points so obviously not everyone felt that way but I had the opportunity to compare this election with the last one. Lots of enthusiam for Obama and anger at Bush last November. A lot of determined, quiet, I-want-no-part of-those democrats attitude on this one. Obama's Pep Rally stayed home. The regular folks came out and cast their vote. This was the result.
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:22 AM
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I live in Northern Virginia. I don't know ANYONE happy with the WH. And for the NJ democrats to not do better, even with an unpopular governor and repeated visits by the President to campaign for him says a lot. Obama won NJ by - what - 15 points? NJ has been creamed by the economy and their property taxes are killing them. What this says is that the democrats need to realize is that the President can't save them if the people aren't happy. It also signals that the democrats on congress (and yes, I realize this was a race for the governorship) who are on the fence have less to fear without presidential support, and less to gain with presidential support. If he keeps it up, the President will be a paper tiger.
Election 2009: Virginia, New Jersey Exit Polls - From Obama to the Economy - ABC News

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Just under half the voters in Virginia, 48 percent, approved of the way Obama is handling his job, rising to 57 percent in New Jersey. Most in both states, in any case, said the president was not a factor in their vote.
I live in Alexandria, VA. I disagree. Obama has 48% approval in Virginia, 57 in Jersey. Exit polls show he was not a factor. All politics is local. Where candidates tried to nationalize the election (Dems in VA and NJ and GOP in NY-23). Deeds even won Arlington and Alexandria counties (2009 Campaign Central, Election and Political News ? POLITICO.com) and came within one percent of winning in Fairfax county, McDonnell's home county. Deeds never defined himself, but decided to attack McDonnell instead. He ran a poor campaign, end of story.

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Old 11-04-2009, 05:46 AM
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Alexandria has a high population density and voted for Deeds. I suspect you are surrounded by people of like mind. Look at the maps in Virginia of how the candidates were received and you have to admit that Alexandria and Arlington - two tiny but highly populated suburbs of DC for those unfamiliar - voted completely differently than nearly all the other counties in Virginia. Even the other counties that abut DC went red. There were a few counties down in the Newport News area and a couple out west but for the most part, Virginia went red - even the ones that supported President Obama, last year.

If someone would have asked me if my vote was a protest against Obama, I'd not have said it was. It is against the democrat policies, nothing personal. I am not sure they asked the right questions in the analysis. The point is that with dreadful policies, President Obama's charisma is not going to help. He tried in New Jersey and it went nowhere. The people who voted for the President, last year, did it primarily based on emotion (pro and con). Unless something happens, people motivated by that giddy emotion aren't going to bother to go to the polls anymore than they did this time.
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Another astonishing thing about the Virginia race is that the chairman of the Democrat Party is a Virginian, just elected in January. And they STILL couldn't get their man elected.

But like I said, I don't really know why you'd disagree - this wasn't about Obama, personally - it was about the policies. Even the polls show that.
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Better wake up left wing Dems, this was a message.
Not really. It's just a typical mid-term election. Nothing will change. Look back on election history.

The country will continue in the same direction, the only difference is whether the vehicle is "right-hand" drive or "left-hand" drive; the destination remains the same regardless of Republican or Democrat leadership.

All this "thoughtful" analisys in this thread is pointless. Both the Repub-Tards and the Dumbass-o-Crats need to open their eyes and realize that they both have chronic rectumitus before any real change will happen.
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The country will continue in the same direction, the only difference is whether the vehicle is "right-hand" drive or "left-hand" drive; the destination remains the same regardless of Republican or Democrat leadership.

All this "thoughtful" analisys in this thread is pointless. Both the Repub-Tards and the Dumbass-o-Crats need to open their eyes and realize that they both have chronic rectumitus before any real change will happen.
Winning an election now is like being promoted to Captain of the Titanic - after it hit the iceberg. We still have $115 trillion in federal liablities coming due and the only difference between Democarts and our current RINO infected Republicans is a few hundred billion dollars per year. The ship is taking on water and politicians from both parties are arguing over the price of the wine at the last meal.
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And where is the source for this hard to believe $115 trillion liability? And what have we received from that huge figure other than the most advanced and active military in the world along with Medicare and Social Security?
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And where is the source for this hard to believe $115 trillion liability? And what have we received from that huge figure other than the most advanced and active military in the world along with Medicare and Social Security?
How about excessive welfare, unnecessary government agencies devoted to social services that are run in incredibly questionable and inefficient ways, government grants costing billions for completely wasteful and useless studies and projects, the ability to hire and staff for dozens of special "czars" with questionnable constitutional authority, tens of thousands of unnecessary employees, overly costly benefits and "rights" government employees enjoy that the rest of the populace doesn't. There is far more.

If the government focussed on military, medicare and social security and adequately funded each, we would be so much better off. But government is trying to get its hands more and more into virtually every aspect of our lives and most of it isn't necessary or could be done better by private business.
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And where is the source for this hard to believe $115 trillion liability? And what have we received from that huge figure other than the most advanced and active military in the world along with Medicare and Social Security?
It is hard to believe isn't it?

115 trillion is a number so big that the human mind cannot fully grasp it.

That is $17,000.00 for every man, woman and child on the planet.
or $380,000 dollars for every man woman and child in America.
or $1,045,454.00 dollars for every TAX PAYER in America.
And it's that last one that's footing the bill.

So, get your million bucks ready.
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Is this a wake up for the Administration and Dem Party? I think anytime you lose an election the opposing side should use it as a wake call, but that is just me. Historically the party opposite of the President will win the gubernatorial, just like a year from now they should lose some seats in the House and Senate. We'll see if that happens. I think the bigger thing that should get more headlines is the pathetic turn out for local/state elections. Something really needs to happen to get more people involved and out to the polls.
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And where is the source for this hard to believe $115 trillion liability? And what have we received from that huge figure other than the most advanced and active military in the world along with Medicare and Social Security?
Here you go Bunty, but be prepared for information overload. Dave hit it square on the head - the debt is so high it is hard to imagine. When can we expect you to pay your share of the $1,000,000 you owe?

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Keep this in mind when trying to figure out how to pay this debt off - it you took every penny of every tax collected by every federal, state, and local taxing authority you would only get $3.7 trillion. That is ruffly equal to what the federal government spends each year and you libs want to spend even more. If every government agency in the country never spent another dime but kept collecting this tax it would take 31 years to pay it off. Of course we know government will continue to spend money so let me ask, what kind of wine you would like with dinner as the ship sinks?
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Good lord, give our country a massive break. According to that chart our national debt is closer to 12 trillion, not 115 trillion. I knew it had to be wrong, thankfully. Or were you just testing the people out there to see if they were paying attention to what you were writing?
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Better wake up left wing Dems, this was a message.
No it is NOT.
If you know the background and the candidates.
All politics is local.
Its not because of the Teabaggers, or the Limbecks.
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How about excessive welfare, unnecessary government agencies devoted to social services that are run in incredibly questionable and inefficient ways, government grants costing billions for completely wasteful and useless studies and projects, the ability to hire and staff for dozens of special "czars" with questionnable constitutional authority, tens of thousands of unnecessary employees, overly costly benefits and "rights" government employees enjoy that the rest of the populace doesn't. There is far more.

If the government focussed on military, medicare and social security and adequately funded each, we would be so much better off. But government is trying to get its hands more and more into virtually every aspect of our lives and most of it isn't necessary or could be done better by private business.
Name a source that is not a LIMBECK teabagger lobbyist group.
That means a REAL source!
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Good lord, give our country a massive break. According to that chart our national debt is closer to 12 trillion, not 115 trillion. I knew it had to be wrong, thankfully. Or were you just testing the people out there to see if they were paying attention to what you were writing?
Bunty - scroll to the bottom. You have to add the National Debt (over $12 trillion by the time you read this on Thursday) to Unfunded Liabilites (just a Kennedy dollar under $106 trillion). The total obligation of the US government is $118 trillion.
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Then thanks for the clarification from my oversight. But that 115 trillion unfunded stuff surely covers a number of decades. That means some of it can be funded.
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Then thanks for the clarification from my oversight. But that 115 trillion unfunded stuff surely covers a number of decades. That means some of it can be funded.
It is called "Unfunded" for a reason. But you are correct, it will need to be funded somehow. Care to guess what the future tax rate will need to be in order to fund it? The other option is for the federal government to inflate their way out of it. My money is on the inflation solution.
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Now that the elections are over BO is going to have to face the fact that
the insidious infatuation voters had a year ago is over. The overwhelmingly
glorious victories in Virginia are exhibit A. Some democrats are trying to
make the excuse that Deeds didn't fully embrace BO instead of submitting
to the actuality that McDonnell didn't embrace BO in any way whatsoever.

Deeds got dumped.

Now, let's go to New Jersey. BO spent time and our money endorsing and
campaigning for Corzine. Christie got nearly 50% of the vote. In other
words, Christie conspiciously cleaned Corzine's clock.

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