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    Quote Originally Posted by Prunepicker View Post

    It is dangerous because citizens are supposed to obey the law, which
    means they must know what the law is in advance — and nobody can
    know in advance what the “life experiences” of whatever judge they might
    appear before will happen to be.

    In a single paragraph Sowell demolishes the irrational thought process of the left.

    If I am on trail for allegedly breaking a law, whether or not the judge is a Puerto Rican has no bearing on the case. The law is the law and our judges should be expected to uphold it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caboose View Post
    In a single paragraph Sowell demolishes the irrational thought process of
    the left.

    If I am on trial for allegedly breaking a law, whether or not the judge is a
    Puerto Rican has no bearing on the case. The law is the law and our judges
    should be expected to uphold it.
    Long ago, when I was only a plum, a judge told me that ignorance of the
    law is no excuse to break the law. Those words have haunted me and it's
    impossible to not hear them repeated when so much as think about floating
    a stop sign.

    Sowell is brilliant, even though, as you said, he's clearly a rich white racist,
    born of privilege.

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    Who's Clueless Now?
    Who's Clueless Now?
    Who's brains' not working,
    And never knew how?
    Sung to "Who's Sorry Now?"

    CNSNews.com - Howard Dean Says Sotomayor's Race Comment Taken Out
    of Context--Then Admits He Doesn't Know the Context
    Tuesday, June 02, 2009
    By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer

    Howard Dean gestures during an interview with The Associated Press in
    this March, 2008 file photo when Dean was chairman of the Democratic
    National Committee. (AP Photo)

    (CNSNews.com)
    - Former Democrat National Committee Chairman Howard
    Dean told CNSNews.com yesterday that Supreme Court nominee Sonia
    Sotomayor's comment that "a wise Latina woman with the richness of her
    experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a
    white male who hasn't lived that life" has been taken out of context by
    critics.

    Then he immediately conceded that he himself had not actually read the
    full context of the speech in which Sotomayor made the comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Coast Okie View Post
    Dismayed, I tend to believe you for trial judges - they really like their "happy facts" as one of my old law professors refers to them. They find the facts that support the decision they want to make and that is difficult to overturn on appeal - but it certainly happens.

    The Supremes are part of a group so we should have less mavericks out there doing wacky stuff due to a personal agenda. All the same, I am not happy about this sort of thing being injected into judicial decision making. I don't think it is appropriate and if you packed the bench with people who couldn't keep from being personally involved with their cases , we'd have a serious problem. Policy leanings are one thing. However, someone who allowed their personal history to influence judicial decisions on questions of law would be a bad judge, IMO. Well, let me just temper that to say I think that would be a bad judge if they took pride in it and didn't make a strong attempt to rise above it. I am interested in what she has to say on the subject.
    I agree, there is a personal line there that judges shouldn't cross. I hope that Whatshername isn't one of those folks, I just don't have enough information to say either way.

    On the other hand, I think the notion that talk radio is putting forward right now that the judicial branch merely reads the law is total bunk. One of the fundamental jobs of the appellate court is to resolve conflicts between lower courts. Often times the law is not clear and it is common for one district to interpret law in one way and another district to interpret it in another. It then falls to the SC to essentially make a policy decision and to tell all of the courts what the correct way to operate is. Similarly, there are occasionally 'civil justice' or Constitutional rights cases that are brought to the high court that as far as I can tell have absolutely no statute backing them up. This places the court in the precarious position of having to come up with a decision based on their own, essentially writing new policy. The notion that the high court does not have the right to "legislate from the bench" as they say is completely ridiculous.

    I do think that, based on what I have heard about Whatshername's comments, I don't immediately think that she is "racist" or "biased," but I don't not think that either. I read the transcript of what she said and as best I can tell the context of her statements was in regards to law pertaining to protecting minorities and equal opportunity. I read her statements as being that a minority was in a unique place to interpret laws having to do with minorities, and I don't know that I find anything particularly offensive about that. But I'd have to hear more about her actual rulings to have any idea one way or the other.

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    This sums up the nomination. Brilliant article!

    The American Spectator : Sonia the Player Umpire

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire121 View Post
    This sums up the nomination. Brilliant article!

    The American Spectator : Sonia the Player Umpire
    In other words, the law means nothing to her. Go figure. It certainly does
    sum up BO's Extreme Court nominee.

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    From the Huffington Post
    Some women's groups are outraged over an editorial cartoon that ran in The Oklahoman newspaper on Wednesday - it depicts Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor strung up like a piñata with a sombrero-clad President Obama handing out bats to Republican members of Congress.
    Typical racist, sexist, and backwards views from the local paper.

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    Actually pretty funny...Don't see where anyone could really get offended by that but I know there are many out there that wake up looking for ways to get offended

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernskye View Post
    From the Huffington Post

    Typical racist, sexist, and backwards views from the local paper.
    Typical irrational, emotionally-driven, knee jerk reaction from the Left. Sexist? Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caboose View Post
    Typical irrational, emotionally-driven, knee jerk reaction from the Left. Sexist? Seriously?
    It's pretty bad. Tasteless is about the best I could say about that comic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Helmet View Post
    It's pretty bad. Tasteless is about the best I could say about that comic.
    But can you articulate why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caboose View Post
    But can you articulate why?
    Easy. It has her smiling. Who smiles when they're strung up like a Pinata?
    Secondly, a Pinata is a Mexican tradition, not Puerto Rican.

    Using the Pinata idea by the cartoonist is sort of saying all Latinos are alike, which deep down is sort of racist. It doesn't recognize nor appreciate the cultrural differences.

    Do you wish to know one difference between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans?
    Here's one:
    1) Mexicans are not afraid to cry and Puerto Ricans... are not afraid to make Mexicans cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Silliman View Post
    Easy. It has her smiling. Who smiles when they're strung up like a Pinata?
    Secondly, a Pinata is a Mexican tradition, not Puerto Rican.

    Using the Pinata idea by the cartoonist is sort of saying all Latinos are alike, which deep down is sort of racist. It doesn't recognize nor appreciate the cultrural differences.

    Do you wish to know one difference between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans?
    Here's one:
    1) Mexicans are not afraid to cry and Puerto Ricans... are not afraid to make Mexicans cry.
    I guess when you just really really want to be offended you can find something to be offended by anywhere.

    Look at her hair in the cartoon. Clearly she is being depicted as slutty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Silliman View Post
    1) Mexicans are not afraid to cry and Puerto Ricans... are not afraid to make Mexicans cry.
    That's racist.

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    I don't see ANY sexist things in the cartoon. I think it is pretty clever. As far as I am concerned, any one who would have any concerns about that cartoon for those reasons is asking for special favors or needs to grow a thicker skin - the same kind the big boys are expected to have have. We are big girls - we can take it. I'm embarassed that someone would suggest otherwise. And I don't see the racism, either (even if latino was a race).

    You're right that this is a knee jerk reaction - for many, as soon as they see something they don't like, it is all about racism or sexism - a real one size fits all. How embarassing for them. And BTW - thanks for giving the boys who are so inclined an opportunity to feel justified in believing that women just can't take the heat. Big babies who whine when they are targeted in exactly the same way Joe Blow down the street is targeted tear down the strides the grown women have been working to make. From my vantage point, I think real women are able to take barbs from a timely political cartoon without crying sexism. Sheesh.

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    Oh, and get your mind out of the gutter on the caption regarding who wants to be the first - that is a challenge to the GOP to have to find someone with the gumption to take the first stab - see the elephants' nervous faces? See President Obama's smile? It is about the political gamesmanship that is going on involving who can actually challenge - justfiably, even - a female latino. Very timely political cartoon that encourages political debate - which is exactly the justification for having a political cartoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Coast Okie View Post
    ... I don't see ANY sexist things in the cartoon. I think it is pretty clever.
    ... And I don't see the racism, either (even if latino was a race).
    I believe it's a very clear representation of how the left uses the race card.
    They're always the one who brings it up, whether it's real or fabricated to
    make non racists appear to be racists. The latter is the norm.

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    The Oklahoman does not like empathy now, but they did during the Bush years. Quite a lot, in fact.

    The Oklahoman Editorial Watch: Empathy In The Bush Years

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    I'm open to the idea that I'm overly sensitive to the cartoon...but I did think it was in poor taste at the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazerfan11 View Post
    The Oklahoman does not like empathy now, but they did during the Bush years. Quite a lot, in fact.

    The Oklahoman Editorial Watch: Empathy In The Bush Years
    The editorial you linked references empathy as displayed by politicians.
    She wants to be a judge on the Supreme Court.
    I guess I don't get the correlation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Coast Okie View Post
    Oh, and get your mind out of the gutter on the caption regarding who wants to be the first - that is a challenge to the GOP to have to find someone with the gumption to take the first stab - see the elephants' nervous faces? See President Obama's smile? It is about the political gamesmanship that is going on involving who can actually challenge - justfiably, even - a female latino. Very timely political cartoon that encourages political debate - which is exactly the justification for having a political cartoon.

    That's how I see it. Obama's large and in charge and daring the GOP to go after a minority woman in full view of the press (in the comic, I'm not commenting on the real world here). He's trying to make it a lose/lose for the GOP.

    It's like the cartoonist's way of squinting and saying "I see what you did there".

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    J.C. WATTS: Sonia Sotomayor and bootstraps

    There is a side to most of us that loves to see the underdog win, the poor person do well, or the batter hit it out of the park down three runs with the bases loaded and two outs in the bottom of the ninth.

    We love to see the boxer who is flat on his back spring up at an eight count and win the fight.

    We love to see the person who pulls himself or herself up by the bootstraps.

    By that measure, if you're looking for a human interest best-seller to put on the Supreme Court, Sonia Sotomayor is the ideal choice. She was born in the Bronx to immigrants from Puerto Rico and was raised by her mother after her father died when she was nine.

    Judging from the accolades showered on Sotomayor over the past several weeks, you would think that coming from humble beginnings is the benchmark for the Supreme Court.

    Well, if that's the case, recall how Clarence Thomas was treated in his confirmation process. I guarantee you'll not find more humble beginnings than his birthplace in Pin Point, Ga.

    Thomas made it to the Supreme Court by a 52-48 vote in 1991, after he was man enough to call the process just what it was in his case -- a "high-tech lynching."

    Think of Miguel Estrada, the 2001 circuit judge nominee whose confirmation was filibustered by Democrats to where Estrada withdrew. He came from humble beginnings in Honduras and arrived in the United States as a teenager with limited knowledge of English.

    Think of Janice Rogers Brown's nomination to the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. She took her seat only after two years of procedural delays. And you can't find more humble beginnings than being the daughter of sharecroppers who attended segregated schools in Alabama.

    Interestingly, all three of these nominees are ethnic minorities. Two black, one Hispanic.

    The people who put these three nominees through their living hell somehow failed to slobber all over themselves concerning their paths from the valley to the mountaintops.

    Have you ever wondered why? Let me enlighten you:

    The reason these three minority candidates got no credit for their individual journeys is due to the fact they lined up the wrong way on the Second Amendment -- the right to keep and bear arms.

    They lined up the wrong way on when life begins -- at the time of conception.

    They lined up wrong on how to make policy. They believe our nation creates policy through legislation -- not through the courts, as Judge Sotomayor and President Obama seem to believe.

    As George W. Bush said in 2004 after his re-election, "Elections have consequences." Which is very true. President Obama has the right to appoint to the Supreme Court whomever he chooses. We should anticipate he will appoint someone totally opposite the philosophy of George Bush or Ronald Reagan, which is his right to do.

    But please spare us the hogwash that if a nominee has a great rags to riches story, he or she is entitled to a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land.

    If it were about pulling one's self up by the bootstraps, Clarence Thomas would not have had to endure the most brutal confirmation fight in history, and Miguel Estrada would be sitting on the federal bench today.

    The process today is about viciously imposing political correctness on the Second Amendment, the issue of life, and legislating from the bench, and viciously punishing anyone who does not comply.

    Clarence Thomas, Janice Rogers Brown and Miguel Estrada all believe the responsibility of the jurist is to define the law of the land, not to create it.

    In my opinion, it's OK if some disagree with Thomas, Brown and Estrada. That's fine. But we shouldn't confuse a great human interest story with the merits of confirmation to the bench. I just don't believe the fantasy that living a "rich life" qualifies one to be a Supreme Court justice.

    Don't kid yourself, folks. It's only a facade. According to the oath that a judge is administered, one's empathy is not the standard.

    I, (name), do solemnly swear/or affirm that I will administer justice without respect to persons and do equal right to the poor and to the rich. And that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as (title), under the Constitution and laws of the United States, so help me God.

    As admirable as it is to see Judge Sotomayor and Judge Thomas get to where they are today, when they place their left hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the values and laws of our land, where they started their journey doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire121 View Post
    The reason these three minority candidates got no credit for their individual
    journeys is due to the fact they lined up the wrong way on the Second
    Amendment -- the right to keep and bear arms.

    They lined up the wrong way on when life begins -- at the time of
    conception.

    They lined up wrong on how to make policy. They believe our nation creates
    policy through legislation -- not through the courts, as Judge Sotomayor and
    President Obama seem to believe.
    In other words, these three walked off the democrat plantation.

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