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Old 01-29-2009, 10:51 AM
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Default Voters Favor Democrats in Congress

We hear that Congress is really unpopular, but if you look deeper into the numbers you'll see that it is the Republicans in congress that are really bringing down the numbers.

The latest Diageo/Hotline poll finds that 49% of voters approve of Democrats in Congress while 38% disapprove. However, congressional Republicans do not fare quite as well with just 26% of voters approving of their job performance.

Looking ahead to 2010, Democrats lead Republicans by a whopping 46 to 22% on the generic congressional ballot.

First Read: "It's worth pointing out that the Republican Party is about as unpopular now as the president who just left office."
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Old 01-29-2009, 11:14 AM
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After Zer-O,Nancy and Harry get done, even the nutless big spending republicans will look good.
Health care rationing, double digit unemployment, double digit inflation, decimated military, coming soon to the American economy.
The irony is the democrats licking their chops just loving this terrible situation and using it as a rare opportunity to impose huge government spending programs. Rahm Emmanual
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Old 01-29-2009, 11:18 AM
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After Zer-O,Nancy and Harry get done, even the nutless big spending republicans will look good.
Health care rationing, double digit unemployment, double digit inflation, decimated military, coming soon to the American economy.
The irony is the democrats licking their chops just loving this terrible situation and using it as a rare opportunity to impose huge government spending programs. Rahm Emmanual
You seem to have forgotten that Democrats won on pushing these ideas that you seem to totally dislike. Republicans have become the do-nothing party, simply complaining and not offering any solutions.
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Old 01-29-2009, 11:33 AM
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Wow, would you like to list all their great legislative accomplishments from the last two years?
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Old 01-29-2009, 11:48 AM
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Wow, would you like to list all their great legislative accomplishments from the last two years?
It was hard to do much with Bush in office, that's why we put a democrat in this time.
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Old 01-29-2009, 12:36 PM
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After Zer-O,Nancy and Harry get done, even the nutless big spending republicans will look good.
Health care rationing, double digit unemployment, double digit inflation, decimated military, coming soon to the American economy.
The irony is the democrats licking their chops just loving this terrible situation and using it as a rare opportunity to impose huge government spending programs. Rahm Emmanual
But the purpose of the stimulous bill is to enable the government to stimulate the economy because the private sector can't or wont' do very much of that right now as in the car industry. And I absolutely refuse to be foolish enough to be gullible enough to fall for and believe that things will be the way you describe them in the future.

It's like I'm in no rush to believe global warming is true until Miss Liberty starts getting her feet wet.
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Old 01-29-2009, 12:44 PM
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A poll right now means absolutely nothing, so that poll again in August of 2010 and see if the outcome is the same....I doubt it. Right now the Democrat controlled Congress has that "new car smell" and just like the car it will go away. Right now there are a bunch of people wishing for "hope and change" well, if that doesn't go as well as "hoped" then there could be another turnover just like the other sewage treatment plants they resemble. I think the electorate is going to be a bit volatile for awhile.

I for one like are Congress that is not complicit with the administration and becomes nothing more than a rubber stamp in the name of "party" power. It seems things always deteriorate when the President and Congress are from the same party. They were meant to be a "check and balance" to each other and in too many cases that isn't what happens.

We truly need political party reform in this country and alternatives to the two party political machines that have nothing more in mind than consolidating and holding onto the existing system.
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Old 01-29-2009, 08:44 PM
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You seem to have forgotten that Democrats won on pushing these ideas that
you seem to totally dislike. Republicans have become the do-nothing party, simply
complaining and not offering any solutions.
Until the Republicans return to their conservative base they will continue to be
a do nothing party.

I wish they dump the big tent mentality.
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Old 01-30-2009, 05:41 AM
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Bluedogok is always so sensible.
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Old 01-30-2009, 05:46 AM
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Bluedogok is always so sensible.
Personally, I think that you are too. I love reading your posts. You got something I like in a person--common sense!
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:27 AM
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:12 AM
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Those who know politics, work in politics, those who don't, go on OKCTALK and act like they know politics.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:30 AM
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There are a lot of different level of politics - local, state, federal. And a lot of different aspects - campaigning, legislating, running and working in agencies (which involves differences depending on the agency's mandate). Then there is the public relations part, the policy part, fund raising, and on and on.

You don't have to be a politician or "in the business" to understand economic, foreign policy or social principals which is what much of the discussions revolve around. In fact, I suspect there are plenty of professional politicians who don't know squat about much of anything except how to manipulate the public and play the political game.

There are a ton of people who are armchair politicians who roam the internet, read all the books, listen to the talk shows, the tv programs, etc., who are pretty knowlegeble. They don't know the nitty gritty of what goes on behind a particular closed door but no one else does who isn't behind that door, either.

Where I live, politics is business. The public relations and campaigns, town meetings, cocktail parties, fund raisers, committee meetings - all of that is part of the business that many don't consider. They don't consider how things "work" in the business. But that doesn't mean that there aren't meaningful, pertinent discussions on this board or that you need to be a professional to have a valid, educated opinion.

I think that was a pretty peculiar statement, frankly.
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Old 01-30-2009, 01:33 PM
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There are many who worked in politics and got fed up and left, I have known a few down here who were legislative or congressional aides who are out of the politics business entirely.

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Old 01-30-2009, 03:47 PM
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I read an article recently about H.L. Mencken. That guy was a riot.
We need a few journalist like him.
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:50 PM
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Until the Republicans return to their conservative base they will continue to be
a do nothing party.

I wish they dump the big tent mentality.
That would be fine for me. It would give the Republicans a permanent minority status.

The conservative base is around 34 percent of the nation, according to the shockingly accurate 2008 CNN exit polls. 22 percent of the country are self-identifying "liberals", and the plurality (44 percent) consider themselves moderates. (Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com)

Obama, a self-admitted liberal, got 88 percent of the liberal vote, 60 percent of the moderate vote, and 20 percent of the conservative vote. He ran a campaign that reached all individuals regardless of party line. If the Republicans want to win, they need to return to the big tent nature they used to be. If they do not, they will end up digging themselves deeper and being a regional (south) party.
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That would be fine for me. It would give the Republicans a permanent minority status.

The conservative base is around 34 percent of the nation, according to the shockingly accurate 2008 CNN exit polls. 22 percent of the country are self-identifying "liberals", and the plurality (44 percent) consider themselves moderates. (Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com)

Obama, a self-admitted liberal, got 88 percent of the liberal vote, 60 percent of the moderate vote, and 20 percent of the conservative vote. He ran a campaign that reached all individuals regardless of party line. If the Republicans want to win, they need to return to the big tent nature they used to be. If they do not, they will end up digging themselves deeper and being a regional (south) party.
It might help also if they have about 90% of the media in the tank for them as well!
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I read an article recently about H.L. Mencken. That guy was a riot. We need a few
journalist like him.
He's famous for his history of the bathtub in America. Many people would use it as
a reference for historical facts. It's a hoax and a lot of laughs.

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Old 01-30-2009, 06:49 PM
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If the Republicans want to win, they need to return to the big tent nature they used to be. If they do not, they will end up digging themselves deeper and being a regional (south) party.
Not so in Oklahoma where ability to win the political races keep being less of a challenge. After all, there's plenty of whites young and old to keep the Republican party going strong. Further more, Republicans have made foreign immigrant workers feel mighty unwelcome. Texas people are more tolerant of them. So Texas has more of a problem keeping their Republican party strong.

Surely Oklahoma Republicans will be quite content being a part of a regional party.
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