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A severe weakness, unfortunately, in your observations of young people in Oklahoma is that, if I'm right, the precincts in Norman and Stillwater that are mostly made up of college students voted for McCain, not Obama.

I must inform you that communism has been out of it ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall nearly two decades ago.

Why, thank you, Bunty, I didn't know that! Where would I be without you socialists here to straighten me out?

Solitude, I won't say I haven't had similar thoughts. I do feel like a fish out of water in OK at times. This election has really shown some things that I haven't wanted to acknowledge about the state... but it is what it is and probably won't change for a very long time.

The way I look at it is this.... no matter what state I live in, I'm responsible for my happiness (although I have to admit, I'm sometimes not all that happy here).

But anyway, that's my problem as I haven't been all that receptive or interested in joining the local churches or cliques.... that's on me.

But, I agree with your assertions that you need to be where you feel you are surrounded with like minded people. I don't feel that here.

Overall, I have met some nice people here but I'm definitely the minority in my thinking. I've been in CA for nearly 40 years, I'm not changing, nor do I want to.
Unless you've lived somewhere else, it might be hard to understand.

But, even though I don't embrace the majority of ideas that many Oklahomans do, I've come to the conclusion that there are definite perks to living in OK.

For one thing, our business is very successful here. We have a nice home in a nice nearly crime-free suburb, our kids attend great schools, we have a nice quality of life and get to travel frequently to see our friends and family in CA and vacation frequently with them. It's a good place for us to raise our children for now.

So, you have to do what is right for your family. We all do.

Good luck to you. I wish you all the best.

I'm still curious though, where are you moving to? I'm planning on Hawaii one day

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" You've Been Thunder Struck ! "

And you wonder why everybody seems to hate Christians so much? I'm not trying to be in any way rude, but you are a prime example my friend by calling people bigots and such with absolutely zero evidence to back up that outrageous claim. Please stop the name calling, etc. You're giving the real Christians a bad name. And even if you truly are, not a religious zealot "Christian", but an honest follower of Christ who believes that the Bible is 100% true I see know way you could support Barack Obama.
So what you're saying is that Democrats are the sane ones while Republicans are insane? That claim is ridiculous, as are the policies of the Democrats in my opinion. Also, I find it quite humorous that you believe Oklahoma's elections were either fixed or skewed by "lies, racism, and bigotry" and that Oklahomans are incapable of researching candidates policies, convictions, and positions and still voting Republican. I, for one, researched endlessly, as I always do, and that very research lead me to support the Republicans last Tuesday as it does every election. Now I'm just wondering....did you truly look into Barack Obama? Or are you one of the mindless followers that bought his empty rhetoric?

Get ready for the liburl flame throwers.......3......2......1......

Oh c'mon Grant...

Simplisticly proclaiming that Jesus was a Republican does not carry the day. Such a statement suggests to me that no, you do not "endlessly" research anything. There are definitely alternative possible viewpoints here. It's okay that you picked one, but that you picked one does not foreclose the ability to pick one for everyone else.

[quote=Grant;182212]And even if you truly are, not a religious zealot "Christian", but an honest follower of Christ who believes that the Bible is 100% true I see know way you could support Barack Obama.


Want to explain?

I'm no bigot and resent your comments. Perhaps you weren't racebaiting - or didn't intend to. However, many people have attacked people who don't support Obama as being racists and I thought you were doing that - if you weren't, I apologize for the error. All the same, name calling by calling people bigots is just rude. It is also unfair and uncalled for.

Oh boy. I was just waiting for the "You can't be a Christian and vote for Obama"

And so what if Oklahoma turned liberal enough so it could raise its standard of living and become a swing state like Iowa that sometimes went Democrat for president? Well, like Iowa, people probably wouldn't be flocking to Oklahoma because of its politics. Because from 2000 to 2006 Iowa added only 55,761 to its population while Oklahoma added 128,558.

Point well made. Heck, California lost 1.8 million residents since 2000. The only reason for any increase in California was births and immigration.

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[quote=Bostonfan;182233]Because he is pro choice...McCain and Palin simply out Christianed Obama and Biden

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Jesus did not like Hypocrites, who does? I think Palin and McCain are hypocrites so I did not vote for them alright? They never even said why I should vote for them except hurling hateful smear and insinuations at Obama.

Example 1: Palin said Obama hung out with terrorist and he is anti-american. Yet her husband was a member of AIP, and she talks at their events and supports them, yet they hate our flag, our laws and went to IRAN and got sponsored to plead to get help seceding Alaska before the UN.

Among AIP's members is Norm Olsen, Founder of the Michigan Militia, who moved to Alaska just to join AIP-- who was Timothy McVeigh's Mentor in their self-proclaimed war against the United States for revenge for Waco, what did that result in? The Oklahoma City Bombing.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...earch&aq=f&oq=
http://www.akip.org/guest.html

Example 2: McCain is good friends with convicted felon Gordon Liddy

G. Gordon Liddy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have a problem with them having these connections because a family member had a baby killed in the Oklahoma City Bomb. I do not like extremist who attract the crazy right fringe. It scares me, as it should everyone in OKC, yet it doesnt?

The same reason I do not like Sally Kern
ever read this?

Pam's House Blend:: Letter From Tucker

Another thing I think Obama lives a more christian life, he is obviously a calm nice man. He has had one wife. While McCain cheated on his wife, left her when she was no longer pretty from a car wreck, got with a younger woman before the divorce was final and married her in another state. That is bigamy and adultery! Oh my, no way!!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...earch&aq=f&oq=

McCain does not support our troops
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...earch&aq=f&oq=

And then there is Cindy..

Cindy McCain Lobbys against MADD
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...DD&btnG=Search

Cindy McCain war profits
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...earch&aq=f&oq=

Cindy McCain Drug Problem
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...gs&btnG=Search

And More on Christians:

Woe to the Hypocrites

Bible Study - Hypocrites


Now to the huge thread killer (dont try to debate me here about it, Ive already said my peace on it in another thread)...

How can I support Obama and be a christian because of the abortion issue?

Less abortions happened under Clinton than Bush SR and Bush Jr, because when women and children are supported with good programs, sexual education and a good economy, less women opt to have abortions. Clinton had abortions to an all time low in fact.

SojoMail
'I'm Catholic, staunchly anti-abortion, and support Obama | National Catholic Reporter

The other reason I voted against McCain and for Obama is I dont believe in the war in Iraq, it is killing innocent children and our soldiers, no WMD were found, its time to get out, but McCain said he see's us there 100 years.

Yes some people in this forum were being bigots-- from what they said to me, many republican are selfish and not to mention racist, and they can not seem to figure out that America is not a Theocracy and that our founding Fathers created America with Separation of Church and State for a reason.. the very reason that led them to these lands in the first place, Freedom of Religion for everyone no matter what they chose, far too many Christians can not get that through their heads. I think most repubs are war hungry, mean, and selfish and fear-mongers. That is how I feel, although I have met some who are not, such as Ron Paul.. if Oklahoma had write-in I might have voted for him. During the elections I heard the MOST EVIL things come out of so called Republican and Christian's mouths. Me calling these type of people bigots and hypocrites, evil, lost, selfish.. sorry if it fits, Im fed up.

On Economy: Trickle down economics do not work. Everytime the repubs have used it, it has resulted in Recession or economic collapse. And the repubs seem to like war. I dont mind an extra 3% on my taxes above 250K because we pay more than that in the end under the repubs in market loss, inflation on everything, and prices at the gas pumps. Why not use a plan that works the way Clintons did, his economic policys were good, he balanced the budget, didn't super inflate the national debt and sat over the longest economic boom in USA History. Under a plan such as that the middle class thrives, poor people are out of poverty, and the business and rich people do good as well. We need something like that right now.. things are looking really bad in case you haven't noticed.

And one last thing, Sarah Palin's churches scared me!! She was into a WITCH-HUNTER and they are end-timers. Not someone I want with the Nuke Codes.

End-Times Prophecies and More: How Electing Sarah Palin Endangers Your Life Think Left. Live Right.

I have other reasons too.. Obama's healthcare is better,
Obama supports Autism-- when Palin said she did but she was going to hurt Autism.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-123879

Thought you said goodbye yesterday, no? Nothing hypocritical about that, eh?

No one thinks Obama is the messiah and I take offense to that as Christian.


So do I route66girl. What ignorance

I've never understood those obamessiah, "The One," or B. Hussein insults some people insist on using. I don't understand why anybody feels so much a need to demonstrate disrespect for our next president.

Regardless, I've yet to meet anybody who so mindlessly follows Obama in the ways depicted by GWB.

If I understand correctly, this realm of insult referenses something Farrakhan said.

I'm not sure that's where GWB gets his insults from. He doesn't seem like a primary source kind of guy.

I try to resist silly invective in an attempt to keep my part of the discussion respectful. I'll admit to have called palin mooseburger a time or two but I stopped that.

The next year or two is likely to be a rough road and many of the people who support Obama today will be disillusioned. There will be even more who will be ready to blame Obama for every boil on their asses. There are many people already saying "SEE, I TRIED TO WARN YOU" even though inauguration is two months away.

It's taken 8 years to get in the mess we are in today and its going to take some patience and some sacrifice to fix things.

I'm so glad I've been sitting on a beach for the last week and I missed the flailing about here.

Sorry to see you go Solitude...But you know that you can still show up here...OKCTalk.com is accessible from all over

Two things - all that nonsense about McCain and Palin are just the flip side of the muslim and flag lapel argument. I'd be embarassed to make any of those arguments.

Second - I think it would be great if you started a post about the Oklahoma City Bombing. It was a horrible experience for so many families and something most of us have a reverence for. It is sacred. You've brought it up sort of gratuitously upteen different times in the past few days - not really sure why - but it is clear that you want to talk about it and let us know your circumstances. Rather than throw it out there out of context, why don't you tell us your connection? I think it would probably be a lot of more interesting in context rather than being used for some reason that seems sort of self serving. I am not saying you are trying to make yourself sound more important by constantly bringing it up. I am saying that when you keep throwing it out there, it makes it SOUND like you are trying to get attention. So if you started a thread devoted to your story, it might make better sense and be less likely to leave anyone with that impression.

Thank you for proving more so that hypocritical things are said against Obama.---- That is the problem, there is NO truth to Obama being a Muslim, he is a Christian, ones faith is a CHOICE. Flag-Pin, I saw Obama with a flagpin MANY times. no story there. Not enough of one to bother me. And Obama denounced and explained any questions people had about all of it. Yet, McCain and Palin and his supporters still hypocritically went on attack mode.
Most Everything they were attacking Obama with, they were guilty of. Yet they did not denounce those things or explain them.

There is proof to McCains And Palin's anti-American activity's

If Palin wanted me to think otherwise she would have denounced AIP, but she did not. If McCain wanted me to think otherwise, he would have said it wasnt okay to hang out with Gordan Liddy, but he didn't, he defended his friend right there on an interview with Letterman.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Letter...iddy_1017.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx3BCajchD8
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Sarah Palin doesnt know if bombing an abortion clinic is Terrorism or not !

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/23/...linic-bombers/
Re-read my reasons for bringing it up, it's a local issue and connected to the topic, If McCain and Sarah were not connected to wingnuts connected to Mcveigh and the Militia's, and if Sally Kern didnt insult the ones lost in it with her hate-speech, I wouldn't even be saying anything.
Sure. so if people saw that then why did they type-me-in-the-back when I walked away with rude things like "How can you be a Christian and vote for Obama".

Of course Im going to answer that.

Does not take away from the truths I said in rebuttals to personal attacks and the current state of things.

People keep saying I am being rude here, but they fail to realize I have been replying to some rude comments made to me, and outright smears on Obama and Democrats.

[quote=Easy180;182311]Woe to the Hypocrites

Solitude--- sorry I got into this flame thing on your thread. Wish you the best of luck.

Are you Thunder's evil twin?

Slow down, you'll have some conservative wanting to leave town and quit okctalk if you keep this up.

LOL

That's what I was thinking.