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Old 10-12-2008, 04:41 AM
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I promise, this is a positive video. It is a supportive tribute with beautiful music. I did the best I can to deliver the best quality on YouTube, if only they could just increase the limit a bit. lol

YouTube - Believe!

(This took me 4 hours...)
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Old 10-12-2008, 06:47 AM
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How inappropriate. Another right winger drinking the kool aid of the inept Sara and out of touch John. Great symbolism, but not reflective of my values. I can only hope enough americans see through the right wing hate and discontent machine that thrives on character assassination to win at all costs. I will say the music was inspiring.
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Old 10-12-2008, 09:59 AM
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A hundred times better than the other videos you've posted. Brings to mind the days before McCain became an "angry old man" on the stump.

dcsooner, I'm not sure where the character assassination resides in this particular video or why it's "inappropriate"...maybe you were watching something else? Or perhaps you're just being rude because it's about McCain? I think he did a pretty decent job with it and am pleased it wasn't full of disparraging remarks regarding Obama.
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Old 10-12-2008, 01:25 PM
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dcsooner, You're kidding right? Sara Palin come to mind? Oh............. thats different,..... when you disagree someone its quite okay to destroy them and their entire family, I get it now. The current democrat party led by the nutroots on DailyKos, DemocratUnderground, and all of George Soro's organizations, have written the book on hate and viciousness!! Within hours of being announced, the outrageous claims were flying all over these sites regarding her personal life and family. I don't even have time to list all the people the Clinton's went after during the 90s. The democrat party owns character assassination as a weapon and use it often with the help of their media. Projection??
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Old 10-12-2008, 01:30 PM
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It was a wasteful 4 hours spent in production because most of the images of McCain and Palin could just have been Obama and Palin. But most of all. the video that I watched every minute of failed to let me on as to just how Thunder and others can possibly look up to McCain with so much awe, inspiration and admiration in the rough times this economy is in? After all, McCain has admitted before the Wall Street Journal that he knows little about economics. So it shouldn't be much of a shock when he declared last month that our economy was fundamentally sound. It's little wonder why he does and says the dumb things he does since it's an undeniable fact that McCain was one of the lowest ranked students in his Naval Academy class. My God, why couldn't the Republicans come up with a better candidate for president, especially considering the gravity of the bad situation the economy is in?

The only way to get the Republicans on the ball is to provide them with some inspiration to do so, by kicking them out of the White House come election day in November.
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Old 10-12-2008, 02:02 PM
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This is something I've thought long and hard about.. ( not Thunder's video) ... the issue of bravery and courage that everyone is so proud of McCain for.. I'm not discounting the fact that he is patriotic and made a huge sacrifice for our country.

What I do believe is that if one really wants to discuss courage, you can't brush aside the fact that for the first time an African American man is going to possbly be our president... if that doesn't open up the door to every racist whacko out there to try to injure or even kill him and his family, I don't know what does.

I sincerely hope and pray that it wouldn't come to that but I think it takes a hell of a lot of courage for Obama to put his own safety (and his families') at risk to serve our country.

So take away the patriotic spin, balance that out and all you have left are the issues.. the most important cog in this wheel currently is our economy.... if we don't get a President in office that understands that, then nothing else will matter.

Without attempting to rectify this economic mess and a true understanding of the economy, they won't have any money to work with on the issues or to fulfill any of the political promises they've been making.
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Old 10-12-2008, 07:12 PM
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Fire121: Many of the prvious responses have reflected intelligent perspectives on the upcoming historic election. My comments to the video are not reflective of any character assassination reflected in the video itself, but the way in which the two candidates were presented as All American, Apple Pie etc. The entire Macain/Palin argument is not about what THEY will DO but trying to "Swift Boat", Obama via guilt by association. Is it unpatriotic to disagree with the war, but support the troops ( I am an Army Veteran) now that we are there? Do you think just conservatives die in Iraq? Do you think only Conservatives believe in GOD and family values? I am a born again Christian (Democrat), raised three kids and WORK everyday. If you buy into the conservative mantra, one would think all things "liberal" were bad. the recent spate of comments by the republican team, anyone can see were aimed to reach a particular demographic which might harber repressed anger against those who are "different". Karried, I share your sentiments, what a sad, sad commentary if this "Land of the Free" proves so intolerent.
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Old 10-12-2008, 07:40 PM
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Fire121: Many of the prvious responses have reflected intelligent perspectives on the upcoming historic election. My comments to the video are not reflective of any character assassination reflected in the video itself, but the way in which the two candidates were presented as All American, Apple Pie etc. The entire Macain/Palin argument is not about what THEY will DO but trying to "Swift Boat", Obama via guilt by association. Is it unpatriotic to disagree with the war, but support the troops ( I am an Army Veteran) now that we are there? Do you think just conservatives die in Iraq? Do you think only Conservatives believe in GOD and family values? I am a born again Christian (Democrat), raised three kids and WORK everyday. If you buy into the conservative mantra, one would think all things "liberal" were bad. the recent spate of comments by the republican team, anyone can see were aimed to reach a particular demographic which might harber repressed anger against those who are "different". Karried, I share your sentiments, what a sad, sad commentary if this "Land of the Free" proves so intolerent.
Nothing intolerant about Obama supporters, eh?

Michelle Malkin Crush the Obamedia narrative: Look who’s “gripped by insane rage”

Tell me, dcsooner, based on Obama's record as a Senator, and IL legislator (if you want to include that as well), what is it you agree with, and what is it about his policies (on record) that make you want to support him? Try to avoid telling me what Obama SAYS he will do in his campaign speeches. Just tell me what it is about his record that makes you want to support him.
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Old 10-12-2008, 07:56 PM
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GWB: Thanks for asking. I come from the school (I am an OU Busines Grad) of bottoms up economics, that is give the consumer the money to drive the demand to move the market to meet that demand and create jobs etc. That is Obama general premise versus give the most to those with the most and hope that prosperity "trickles" down. Second, I did not and do not support the War and the argument that Pres B gave to wage it. I want out of Iraq sooner rather than later, but measured. Third, the current administrations isolationist attitude has been counterproductive to our standing in the World. Fourth, Fiscal responsibility is something the current administration has thrown out with the bath water. They espouse "free market" economics, BUT now Pres B. asked the GOVERNMENT to bail us out. I could go on but for the sake of others, I won't. One last thing, Just because JM was captured and spent 7 years in captivity does not make him QUALIFED to be President, remember, I am an HONORABLY discharged nine year veteran. I honor and respect his service and sacrifice BUT his service and sacrifice is not greater that the sacrifice Obama made as a Yale graduate to forgo wealth to give back to those of less fortune. Both paths are honorable.
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Old 10-12-2008, 08:04 PM
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All politicians are mostly full of crap come election time...After 8 years of subpar intelligence I think it's time to give an intellectual a go at leading this country

This nasty economy is much too complex for McCain to handle right now...Even he admitted he knows nada about it...I would have been open to either running the show a few weeks ago but we have to have some intelligence at the top right now and both sides know who comes out the clear winner in that regard
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Old 10-12-2008, 08:39 PM
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All politicians are mostly full of crap come election time...After 8 years of subpar intelligence I think it's time to give an intellectual a go at leading this country

This nasty economy is much too complex for McCain to handle right now...Even he admitted he knows nada about it...I would have been open to either running the show a few weeks ago but we have to have some intelligence at the top right now and both sides know who comes out the clear winner in that regard
What, in Obama's record, shows that he has the experience to solve the financial problems of America? Both candidates know nothing about the economy, they will hire people in their administration to do that job. What makes you think it's too complex for McCain to handle right now and not too complex for Obama? Speak to his record and not his promises if you don't mind. Is it his socialistic policies that appeal to you?

How do you know Obama is intelligent? He refuses to release his grades, he refuses to release his thesis, we know next to nothing about his past. Is it his elitist attitude that appeals to you and gives you the impression that he's intelligent? What proof do you have that he is intelligent?
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Old 10-12-2008, 08:41 PM
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GWB: Any comments to my post?
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Old 10-12-2008, 08:54 PM
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GWB: Thanks for asking. I come from the school (I am an OU Busines Grad) of bottoms up economics, that is give the consumer the money to drive the demand to move the market to meet that demand and create jobs etc. That is Obama general premise versus give the most to those with the most and hope that prosperity "trickles" down. Second, I did not and do not support the War and the argument that Pres B gave to wage it. I want out of Iraq sooner rather than later, but measured. Third, the current administrations isolationist attitude has been counterproductive to our standing in the World. Fourth, Fiscal responsibility is something the current administration has thrown out with the bath water. They espouse "free market" economics, BUT now Pres B. asked the GOVERNMENT to bail us out. I could go on but for the sake of others, I won't. One last thing, Just because JM was captured and spent 7 years in captivity does not make him QUALIFED to be President, remember, I am an HONORABLY discharged nine year veteran. I honor and respect his service and sacrifice BUT his service and sacrifice is not greater that the sacrifice Obama made as a Yale graduate to forgo wealth to give back to those of less fortune. Both paths are honorable.
So, if I understand you correctly, you like Obama's socialist agenda of wanting to take from the rich to give to the poor. You don't support the war in Iraq. Not sure what your point is about the current administration's isolationist attitude since you don't tell me how Obama will handle it. You tell me you don't like the present administration's take on fiscal responsibility, but you don't tell me what in Obama's record shows him to be fiscally responsible. I see your point about the sacrifice issue, but since Obama has acquired quite a bit of wealth from book sales, what has he done with his wealth to help the poor?
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Old 10-12-2008, 09:33 PM
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What makes you think it's too complex for McCain to handle right now and not too complex for Obama?

How do you know Obama is intelligent?
McCain has publicly admitted he knows nothing of the economy..Sure they will surround themselves with advisors but we all saw where that gets us when we have someone who understands little and basically allows their advisors to run the country

You just have to listen to Obama for about 5 minutes to realize the dude is intelligent...12 years as a lecturer/professor at the University of Chicago Law School tells me he didn't just skip by in school

McCain admits he finished near the bottom of his class at the naval academy

I'm certain both guys are intelligent but it's obvious "that guy" comes out ahead in that contest
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:32 PM
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And give Obama for having the fine intelligence to choose Warren Buffet as one of his economic advisors.
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Since Obama refused to have his transcripts, grades, everything to be made public, it is most likely to be horrible and he is ashamed of it. No other explanation.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:29 AM
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Less than a month and this will all be over. The man will be selected and we can attempt to move on.
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I'm certain both guys are intelligent but it's obvious "that guy" comes out
ahead in that contest
Although intelligence is important it isn't the issue. Many intelligent people
lack the ability to make sensible decisions and they lack judgment. Have
you talked to a Mensa member? Lot's of intelligence but...

This is not to say that either contestant is stupid. That's something only a
blockhead would say.

I believe McCain excels in the ability to see a problem and procure the
personnel to solve it.

I honestly don't see that in Obama.
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There are more strawmen in this thread than a Wizard of Oz convention.
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I understand 45 years ago there were some soiled nappies at issue. Why won't obama release them? There MUST be something he's ashamed of!

And yet, he's still leading in all the polls.

Still planning that victory party GWB?
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Old 10-13-2008, 09:43 AM
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Since Obama refused to have his transcripts, grades, everything to be made public, it is most likely to be horrible and he is ashamed of it. No other explanation.
Hmmm.

I think it's enough that he GOT INTO Colombia, and that his grades were obviously good enough (as was his LSAT score) to GET INTO Harvard Law School, from which he graduated MAGNA CUM LAUDE (that's probably close to a 4.0, if not a 4.0). Not only that, he was editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Ask any attorney what it means to even be an editor for a college review, and they will tell you that it is "top honors." It is difficult for any law student to sit on their school's review. You are selected not just because you have outstanding grades, but because you have a depth of understanding that surpasses your classroom learning. At OU law, if I recall (and this may not be quite right), you have to be in the top 10% of your class to sit on the law review. Intellectual chumps are definitely NOT allowed.

Compare that to McCain's graduating 895th of 899th in his class, and Palin's having achieved a Bachelor's Degree in Journalism (not completely knocking it, I have one of those, too) - after going to oh, what, 5 different colleges? And this is a woman who has trouble dealing with the media, yet she has a BA in Journalism?

I'm sorry, I expect, no, I DEMAND, that the person in the White House is SMARTER than ME. We certanily see how that has NOT been the case these past eight years. While I admire and respect McCain and his military record, and could have voted for him in 2000, he is absolutely NOT what this country needs to move forward and out of this mess.

As for the economy, it says a heck of a lot that Warren Buffet, one of, if not THE, leading financier on Wall Street, is publicly backing Obama.

I can't post much these days as I've been dealing with a family medical issue, but I just wanted to at least get that point in. That, and the fact that I voted absentee, so my vote has already been cast, pretty much makes any attempts to "sway" me, moot at this point.
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I understand 45 years ago there were some soiled nappies at issue. Why won't obama release them? There MUST be something he's ashamed of!

And yet, he's still leading in all the polls.

Still planning that victory party GWB?


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Old 10-13-2008, 10:08 AM
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[quote=FritterGirl;175248]Hmmm......



....As for the economy, it says a heck of a lot that Warren Buffet, one of, if not THE, leading financier on Wall Street, is publicly backing Obama.

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I think Warren Buffet, being the only financier on Wall Street who not only make a profit, but did it legally impresses me, so I'm more likely to trust him then other the other Wall Street types.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:26 AM
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First, I don't think any of the above mentioned politicians are stupid. The media has been very successful in portraying our current president as stupid and also convinced many that Reagan was stupid also. So, it doesn't matter who any republican is, the mantra WILL be, he has no intelligence. That being said, President Bush is a horrible politician and is not an eloquent speaker. He is also NOT a fiscal conservative on most issues but I think his tax cuts helped our economy after 9/11. Obama has no record of ever being in charge of anything. The best you guys can come up with is, he's really smart and he takes advice from Warren Buffet? I think I probably speak for many conservatives who are getting really worn thin on the constant lies and myths perpetuated about us. Stupid, greedy, racists, homophobic. When Obama confiscates our income for redistribution do you think we will still continue to be productive? All I know about his record is he has some really far left associations who are anti-capitalist and racist. Would it matter to any of you if McCain attended a church for twenty years led by the Reverend David Duke? Could you imagine McCain being associated with Timothy McVeigh? What is the difference between McVeigh and Ayers? Time and Age? Not their intent! I apologize to Thunder for getting this thread side tracked.
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Since Obama refused to have his transcripts, grades, everything to be made public, it is most likely to be horrible and he is ashamed of it. No other explanation.
Yeah...probably since they always let those guys into Harvard. Especially the poor ones.
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