I was beginning to wonder, with all the anti-Obama messages posted here, that OKC Talk was taken down by a Kenyan Obama Truth Squad. Glad to see that it was only a technical issue.
Kenya deports US author of anti-Obama book

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lol... thanks everyone for your patience!

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Didn't something like this happen in Missouri? I think the Democratic Party was encouraging Sheriff's to investigate anyone who spread "lies".Why is their a need for the truth squad in the first place?

In my lifetime I have learned when a rumor is false. People generally let it go and let ther reputation debunk the rumor. When a rumor is most likely true people freak out and make a scene insisting thier name be cleared.

Actually, in my lifetime I've learned when a politician uses already-debunked fear and smear tactics against an opponent, it's usually well correlated with a recent drop in their polling numbers and a sign their campaign is falling apart. I've also learned when a smear merchant is discredited, they often whine about being mistreated to try and distract from it. I've learned when you put both together, it's a good sign the politician is using the smear merchant to desperately change the subject away from the real issues, because they are being hammered when those real issues are the focus of discussion.

They're both resorting to smears now. By the time its all said and done, the American public won't want either to be president.

Too bad that's not an option. "Neither: CHECK"

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I haven't heard anything from the Obama campaign that's even remotely close to what the McCain camp is doing now, accusing Obama of being close friends with terrorists and wanting to see America fail. The behavior of McCain and Palin the last couple of days has gone way beyond anything even remotely decent, and it's just downright nasty and dangerous.

I forgot to post this lovely passage reported by the NY Daily News:

Obama IS close friends with a known terrorist, unless you believe it was just an extraordinary coincidence that he announced his candidacy for the Illinois senate from William Ayers' house. That's not smear, that's fact. In fact, Obama's chief campaign strategist, David Axelrod has even admitted that Obama and Ayers were "certainly friendly". I guess Obama is being smeared from within his own organization.

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I can't believe people actually buy this BS.

I'm "friendly" with people at work I can't stand every day. I've probably been in the living room of someone who broke the law many years before, does that make me a law breaker? Ridiculous.

If I were to manage to become a front-runner candidate for President from a major party, chances are you could find many people I had crossed paths with at some point along the way that turned out to be scum. It's a ridiculous standard to hold a person too being advocated by ridiculous partisans.

The best the smear merchants can come up with is that Obama was in Ayers' living room, overlapped briefly on a community board, and lived in the same neighborhood (no joke, apparently they think this is relevant).

If this "guilt by association" nonsense is the road McCain wants to go down, that's fine, let's talk about Charles Keating and G. Gordon Liddy, both of whom had a far more devastating and close relationship with McCain than Obama's brief crossing of paths with Ayers.

Frankly, I'd rather talk about the real issues such as the economy and war on terror, and stop scratching at the completely irrelevant wounds of the Vietnam era.

I can't believe that a thread about the site coming back can turn into a political debate.
Oh wait, yeah I can. It's full of Oklahoman's

Pay no attention to the Keating behind the curtin. Or the domestic terrorists the first dude hangs with. Or the witch doctor and domestic terrorist Pastor Muthee who personally got God to make Palin governor.

As my 10 year old son says, "just because you know somebody doesn't make you like them."

And still, the polls are in Obama's favor.

Why won't people listen to this very serious fake outrage? Why won't the GOP mud stick?

And I can't believe people like you brush it off like it's nothing. I didn't say Obama was a law breaker, only associated with one. Do you deny that? Tell me, would YOU launch your political career from a known terrorist's home?

William Ayers founded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and appointed Barack Obama its first chairman in 1995. The two also served on a separate board, The Woods Fund, from '99-2002, together. Just neighbors?! "Hey neighbor, can I launch my career from your living room, even though I 'hardly' know you?" Ridiculous indeed. That's no simple passing aquaintance.

But you and EO feel free to detail the horrible things McCain is associated with Keating and Liddy while burying your head in the sand concerning Obama's troubling past.

Tell your 10 year old that he'll understand - once he matures - that just because you SAY you aren't associated with someone (regardless of evidence), it doesn't mean it's true, no matter how many times you get your drones to repeat it for you. And quit taking advice from a 10 year old. Next thing you know you'll be wearing Iron Man jammies.

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I was wondering what was going on. That Zend site had me worried.

It's much better now.

No one said Ayers and Obama haven't been associated, you're just making that part up since you're losing the argument.

The facts are the Annenberg Challenge was a successful $50M grant to help improve inner city education in Chicago, and while Ayers helped write the grant proposal that secured the funds, he was not involved in the appointing of Obama to the board in any way. Your assertion Ayers appointed Obama to that position is wrong and is simply a right-wing smear you're repeating.

It's also apparent Obama's launching event was actually facilitated by State Senator Alice J. Palmer, who introduced Obama in Ayers' living room to a few Democratic friends as her chosen successor. This was apparently one of the first (and one of the only few) encounters between Ayers and Obama.

Again, with Keating, Liddy, and undoubtedly many others in his past, McCain is foolish for going down the road of smear by association. Especially when the voters are desperate to hear from them on real issues.

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As my 10 year old son says, "just because you know somebody doesn't make you like them."

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You have a very smart son.

Hello Everyone,

Since this seems to be the thread about the site coming back online...I think. I spoke with Pete about the issues and will be upgrading the site tonight to the latest vb version. The current version is about 8 generations old and just can't cope with the new server it's on. The new version has a ton of new features not to mention faster page load times.

The downside is many of the "hacks" installed are not compatible with the new version. Most of you probably did not use them anyway but I figure a fair warning is warranted.

The upside is when done everyone can take advantage of the cool new features, faster load times and a nice clean board.

Please don't panic if you see the site down all the data is backed every hour and stored off-site in another facility.

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I'm not making anything up, just responding to your straw man argument asking if it would make you a lawbreaker. I'm not "losing" anything. Just pointing out inconvenient issues that you're trying to brush away.

Thanks for the heads-up Todd!

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The only thing is who will stay president? or who would it fall to another like the House Speaker Nancy Pelosi-- my spelling maybe off

Talk show host Sean Hannity sure does. Have you heard him ranting today? He's just obsessed like silly with it. He thinks in tonight's debate that McCain should strongly concentrate on making Obama guilty thru his association with Ayers.

Many, many Oklahomans absolutely adore Hannity, wishing they could call him up and say, "Sean, you're a great American", and must surely agree with him on this.

Oh, I shoulda known why so many people around here are obsessing about it today, they got their daily talking points from Hannity. It explains the cognitive dissonance people like MadMonk suffer from. Obama is guilty of being close friends with terrorists because he was in Ayers living room for a couple of hours one night. It's what they're pinning their hopes of fooling Americans another 4 years on. I wonder how much Hannity talked about the economy today...LOL.

MadMonk, my 10 year old understands this issue better than you.

To follow your guilt by association idea, Ted Bundy was a Republican. John McCain is a Republican. Therefore John McCain is guilty of mass murder by association.

Hmmm, I think this is an issue than demands investigation.

I've been looking for the thread that talks about the site being back. Anyone know where I can find it?

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(Draw your own conclusions.)

One of the downsides, right now at least, is the lack of the recent posts column.

I kind of find this whole Ayers outrage as somewhat contrived. The same people who seem to be screaming the loudest about this have no problems with folks from the other side palling around with federal criminals convinced of crimes against the constitution such as G. Gordon Liddy, the likes of Oliver North, or preachers who have been connected with organizations that bombed women's clinics during the 1980s and 1990s... another form of terrorism. In my opinion it is purely politics.

If that's your version of "understanding", then I certainly believe it's the perspective of a 10 year old.

Did McCain announce his candidacy from Bundy's living room? I wonder how much of a non-issue this would be if McCain launched his career from Timothy McVeigh's house and had ties to him over the years?

Bundy, oknacreous, that's another example of an incorrect conclusion from you. I haven't listened to Hannity is quite a while. A sad attempt at deflection.

bwana_bob, what? You never make mistakes when typing out a paragraph? Try your hardest next time to actually make or refute a point rather than paying too much attention to irrelevent things. The only conclusion one could come up with from your post is that you're like the slow kid slobbering while staring at the pretty colors on the merry-go-round.

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