what do you think of obamas new ad with rush limbaugh? its in spanish, but abc sure railed against this crap. i thought he was a uniter, not a divider? didnt he say he wasnt going to run a negative campaign? 77% of his ads are negative compared to 56% of mccains. Study: Recent Obama Ads More Negative, Washington Post: Democrat Aired More Negative Advertising Than McCain In The Last Week - CBS News
hes getting scared and desparate. latley it seems like hes running against palin and not mccain.
i wonder if telemundo and the other big station will stop airing this and correct ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkzvFAOcw6I

Glad to see it...Dems seem to try and take the high road in elections for the most part and it's safe to say that approach hasn't worked out very well lately

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I'm a Republican but I've got two words for you: Swift Boat. Oh, and two more: Willie Horton. Lies and distortion have been a part of Presidential politics in the United States since its founding. While one side publicly acts indignant about attack ads targeting them, they are secretly plotting their next foray along the slime trail. Get sucked into the hype and melodrama or just take a nap until November.

BO is a leftist. Unity to a leftist means unity for leftists.

Which seems like a good idea to me.

O'Reilly said the Obama ad was false and went on to add that a McCain spanish ad was also false.

My perception of this campaign is that initially Obama was trying to not run a negative campaign. The reality is that negative campaigns are extremely effective and McCain has been running a very negative campaign and it has helped him tremendously. This isn't to say the Obama camp has been 'entirely pure,' it has seen its share of negativity aired, but I don't think it has been to the same order of magnitude until recently. So really I think Obama had two choices, not to go negative and basically watch himself lose the election, or go extremely negative and try to recapture the lead.

It's a sad commentary on things. Negativity just works too well. This election has shown me that we will never be free of the negativity in any election. It's a rather sad commentary on the voting electorate.

Even many Republicans are admitting the negative ads from the McCain campaign go beyond what anybody has done before with distortions and outright lies. For it to be coming from the John McCain we all knew just a few years ago is surprising.

Just an observation about this board....There are several flamethrowers on the right who are further to the right than most any talk radio host on the air. It's absolute hatred for anything that isn't pro-corporate agenda.

There are a couple of posters, who I haven't seen recently come to think of it, that present well reasoned positions on economic issues from a left perspective that we don't usually hear much of in Oklahoma.

I consider myself a centrist but this year must vote Obama-Biden. McCain-Palin is almost comical to me.

First you say that McCain has put out negative ads with distortions and outright lies. You even say that many republicans are admitting that the ads from the McCain campaign have gone beyond what ANYBODY HAS DONE BEFORE..." Are you saying that there has not ever been distortions and lies in previous presidential campaigns equal to those of McCain's? You failed to mention that Obama has been running some pretty negative ads that have also had lies and distortions in them. Factcheck and others (including democrats) have attested to this. Interesting that you only mention McCain's negative ads and not Obama's. Here's a snippet of what was reported in the Washington Post recently:

Obama Aired More Negative Ads Last Week
By Howard Kurtz

Despite perceptions that John McCain has spent more time on the attack, Barack Obama aired more negative advertising last week than did the Arizona senator, says a new study released today. Seventy-seven percent of the Illinois Democrat's commercials were negative during the week after the Republican convention, compared to 56 percent of the spots run by McCain.

Obama Aired More Negative Ads Last Week | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

Secondly, you said (regarding posters on this board), that there are "several flamethrowers on the right..." and yet you fail to mention the leftists on this forum who have thrown their fair share of flames as well. Maybe you've missed them and aren't aware of the leftist flame throwers here (one in particular). OR, maybe you don't have a problem when the flames are coming from the left side. Which is it? Again, I find it interesting that you are only focusing on the conservatives and not the liberals.

Finally, you said, "I consider myself a centrist but this year must vote Obama-Biden. McCain-Palin is almost comical to me". You say you are a centrist, and yet, you say you are going to vote for the most liberal senator in America (his running mate is the third most liberal senator in America). From reading your post, something tells me you are not quite the "centrist" you profess yourself to be.

Speaking of comical, I'm sure you'll get a real kick out of reading (from the LA TIMES) some of the gaffes that have come out of Biden's mouth even before he was picked as VP. I'm sure the LA times regrets ever printing this:

Joe Biden's just a barrel of gaffes - Los Angeles Times

Here's a few of the recent ones. Enjoy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us...=1&oref=slogin
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so... ONE WEEK Obama has more negative ads than McCain. OMG let's all freak out and forget about EVERY OTHER WEEK this campaign season where the proportion of negative McCain attack ads has been greater.

Get a grip.

You know, even though this was addressed to another poster since you opened this door I think I'll comment on it. As a long-time poster who has always tried to remain objective and not get personal, I have really grown weary as of late the constant back and forth between you and EO. It is one thing to have a debate... it is quite another to go harshly negative and even get personal from time to time, each of you egging the other on. Surely we can all share our opinions here, learning from one-another, and not run off all the regulars in the process.

X2...That's why I have started to stay out of these threads for the most part. When I click on a thread, I can almost SEE the spittle on my screen when some people say the word "liberal" or "conservative". It's sickening, and I feel that it carries over into other threads in undercurrents of hostility.

As for the topic...Negativity ads ONLY work because the media (once again) falls on it's face and reports it. They should be reporting what the candidate's policies are, where they stand on issues, etc. NOPE. They'd rather make up crap about Sara Palin's baby or Obama's "Muslim background". Oh...But I guess economics are boring and nobody REALLY wants to talk about how screwed we are on Social Security anyway....So....FLAG PIN! TROOPERGATE! OLD MAN! HAIR PLUGS! ZOMG!

The negative ads are for the mush-heads that are sitting on the fence.

If you are one of these people who pick your candidate based on what the media, celebrities, 30 second commercials, radio talk show hosts or some other second hand source supports please, please, please do me a favor on election day.


Go snipe hunting.

Fly to Phoenix and fina a real estate agent that sells the ocean front property we've all heard about.

Follow the Dominoes delivery guy and protect him from the Noid.

Visit every Subway in city and ask if they have seen Jared.

Go down to Southern Oklahoma and search for Bigfoot.

Go to Area 51 in Nevada and ask for directions to Area 52, 53, 54 or 55.

Count the holes in the drop ceiling at work.

Fly to the North Pole and find Santa. Demand he give you that toy you never received that was on your list for years and years.

Whatever you do stay away from a ballot box, it will hazardous to the health and well being of others.

While I appreciate you including EO in your comments, you did only address your post to me. When you address your criticisms to me, it looks as if you are displaying your own biases when you fail to address this to EO as well. Yes, you did mention him, and as I said, I do appreciate it, but your post was written to me when perhaps it would have been better to address the two of us.

I have no problem having an honest and intelligent debate with people whom I disagree with. I have had several good discussions with posters here who are not of the same political persuasion as I am without making it personal. I enjoy that and do it quite often on a political forum that I am a member of. Sadly, I fell into the trap of responding to another one of EO's name calling, flame baiting attacks (even calling me a liar in one of his posts) when I should have just ignored him. It's hard to do sometimes, especially when he has, more than implied, that I'm a racist for not supporting Obama. That kind of a comment is pretty disgusting, not to mention insulting, especially since he doesn't know me personally. I think anyone who has been attacked by EO, and their are a few of us, know that you cannot reason with this individual (so why did I waste my time), I'm a fool. I have no intention of responding directly to EO anymore. He clearly has no intention of having an honest discussion with people who are not of his political persuasion.

You need not worry about me throwing any more flames back to EO, regardless how many he throws to me, or to others. However, in the future, if you are going to be critical of posters who are not having a civil discourse with one another, I hope you will at least be honest enough to address both sides, and not just the conservative side. To fail to do that will only reveal your own biases. A fair and balanced approach of constructive criticism (I accept it as that) is always good, don't you think?

Dismayed, I agree with this statement. I took am weary of being constantly pounced upon by GWB, Prune, and others.

I don't feel as though I have too often been personal about things, but I do tend to respond in rebuttal to personal attacks and purposeful lying about my posts.

Hence forth, I will refrain from taking the flame bait and post the phrase:

“You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.” Anne Lamott

With this phrase I will signify the personal and/or dishonest nature of the attack and leave it at that.

If I respond in any quarrelsome manner, call me out on it.

It would be nice, since I suspect my posts are almost singularly sought out by Prune and GWB for attack, that others would call them out as well.

I would prefer to never have to respond to another post attacking me for arguments I do not make or those which reflexively say "the problem with liberals/leftists/Lilliputians/centaurs/othermythicalbeasts ....everything in the world is your fault."

Right you are!

I haven't seen or heard any of the advertisements, (haven't watched or listened
to any commercials since 1985). I can't imagine anybody being influenced by
advertising but it obviously works, especially the political ads.

When I was growing they'd have renditions of popular songs with lyrics changed to
the greet homage to the candidate, there were nifty slogans. "I Like Ike", "All the
Way with JFK", "I'm not a Crook".

A certain percentage of voters will vote for Obama, simply because he is black.
A certain percentage of voters will vote AGAINST Obama simply because he is black. I hope these two groups cancel each other out.

A certain percentage of people will vote AGAINST McCain, simply because he is old.
A certain percentage of people will vote for McCain because he is old - but they themselves are old and will die before they can vote for McCain. In this case, young people against McCain will win out.

Racism is a two way street.

Racism is a pathetic reason to do anything.

I went to Inhofe's campaign office to help with the campaign. The office was
packed with young people, in their 20's, and three older people. I was one of the
older people :-)

By the way, while I was at the Fair, I didn't see any young people carrying
Obama signs. Everyone was over 40, or at least looked it.

Young people were asking where Prunette and I got our sign. It was very
encouraging.

You too huh? I picked up McCain Palin sign and carried it around just see what kind of response I would get. I must have approached by someone at least every 5 minutes or so. I even hear a funny joke from one guy he said He wanted to find a sign that said "NOBama Keep the Change."

The people I saw carrying Obama-Biden signs were older hippy looking people. I only saw one young guy. He looked like your typical college kid that did not know anything about politics until he took a government class in college that was taught by liberal professor.

In a state where 65% of the people are for a republican candidate, regardless of who it is, does that really shock you?

I would be shocked if the Obama camp really puts any money into Oklahoma. They'll take their 30-40% of the votes and move on. Hell, when Bush's ratings were crashing across the country, I remember seeing him polling in the 50s-60s in favorability. When it comes to national politics, this state is pretty isolated and in its own little world. The people just vote for those with the (R) next to the name, regardless of how retarded and screwed up they are. For local and state politics they seem to show a bit more flexibility.

Not sure the reasoning, but may just be the distance from DC, the way we are mostly untouched by any national hardships, or the fact in the end...Oklahoma really does not matter at all in the Presidential race.

Oh, venture79, shut up. You're pouring on the TRUTH about the state of Oklahoma politics so much that it hurts.

Okay okay...i'll go back to being a mindless sheep and keep to myself.

I've been to other state fairs during election years and NEVER seen anyone carrying campaign signs around. Must be an OK thing...

EDIT: Never seen anyone who didn't work for the campaign carrying signs around