Sarah Palin refers to the mission in Iraq a "task that is from god." Is this a holy war?

Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.

Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.

-Bob Dylan

wow. It is simply amazing how many have died in wars 'with God on their side'

It's much easier to take action if your'e convinced that it's God's Will.

I don't think God approved that message.

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No, but I believe [nevermind] did.

Again, this is a comment taken out of context which should have nothing to do with the election.

Palin explained when she was interviewed by ABC reporter, Charlie Gibson that when she said this, she was paraphrasing Abraham Lincoln, who said:

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Well said by Lincoln. I don't know what Palin said or the context of it, so I will stay out of that.

few have ever, and I fear fewer still ever shall, be as interesting as Lincoln.

and now, back to the show

As much as I'm tired of Palin's failin, this was a pretty dishonest answer.

She wasn't talking about Lincoln. She was using fundamentalist words to a fundamentalist audience. That's a convenient dodge to disguise the depths of her religious extremism.

What did she mean when she said, "Nothing I do [politically] make as difference if America isn't right with God"

Does that mean, when Palin fails, it's because god is punishing us? How convenient. I wish I had as good an excuse for all my short comings.

I have to remember that, "sorry dear, I know I was supposed to take out the trash, but you're not right with God."

When her buddy the preacher said that it's "God's Plan for Alaska" to be the refuge of all the good Christians when the end times starts, and Palin says "Amen" She's not really agreeing with this rather bizarre (and self-serving) christian extremist perspective.

She's really saying, "what a wonder thing it is for you exercise your rights under the Constitution."

Holy crap! I just wrote her next round of excuses.

Fundamentalism is simply having a basis for what you believe. What, exactly, is
her religious extremism?

Pretty much. Her whole interview with Charlie Gibson was an eye opener. She's just as full of sh-- as the rest of them, just hasn't lost her political virginity yet.

No kidding! As hostile as Charles Gibson was toward Sarah Palin, she enunciated
her views very well. Charlie was at a loss because he appeared to be expecting
some one that people, like Matt Damon, Charlie Sheen and other great political
orators for the left, said she was.

He was stymied.

Prune, you're depth of knowledge is scant. By scant I mean barely clothed. Or maybe I mean not quite enough. I might mean limited in quality or quantity.

Are you being clever, coy, or a cunning stunt when you properly use an unrelated definition to frame your argument?

Allow me to explain terms we use in America: Religious Fundamentalism is a specific system of belief usually marked with rigid selective interpretation of religious text the includes a narrow focus on certain contemporary political ideals and disregards all others.

For example, Islamic Fundamentalism presupposes a world where all western and modern influences are capable of being defeated no matter how much murder and brutality must be committed to acheive this goal.

Christian Fundamentalism presupposes a world where a totalitarian political figure imposes a strict, selective set of rules derived from politically expedient portions of the bible.

Now, I'm going to church.

She did enunciate her views but provided few details of how they were going to bring about change other than going on and on about cleaning up govt agencies

Pretty powerful stuff

Tina Fey's portrayal last night was pretty realistic and funny...You know that's how Hillary has to feel about her

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I love how you quoted my post and took it totally out of context. Good to see you are learning from the rest of them.

Like Easy said...she totally blew off giving direct answers to the questions.

So to me the big deal of that Palin interview was the moment when Gibson asked her what her thoughts were on the Bush Doctrine and she clearly had no idea what he was talking about. Does this not concern anyone? The fundamental redefinition of our foreign policy in 50 years and she doesn't even know the synopsis of what it is? To be real honest this infuriates me.

(If you don't know, it's the concept of the right of intervention and preemptive strike).

DAMNIT, I WANT SMART PEOPLE RUNNING THIS COUNTRY. BRING IN THE NERDS, NOT THE FEMBOTS. Grrrrr.

fun·da·men·tal·ism 1 a: often capitalized: a movement in 20th century
Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to
Christian life and teaching
b: the beliefs of this movement
c: adherence to such beliefs

2a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of
basic principles <Islamic fundamentalism> <political fundamentalism>

— fun·da·men·tal·ist
— fundamentalist or fun·da·men·tal·is·tic

I know whereof I speak. I have no idea which dictionary, if any, you used.

This is absolutely absurd. Where did you read that?

So, looks like it was Charlie Gibson's gaffe on Bush doctrine, not Sarah Palin's | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

There are several Bush Doctrines.

First doctrine. Unilateral withdrawal from the ABM treaty.

Second doctrine. Kyoto Protocol, not submitting it for ratification.

Third doctrine. "you're with us or you're with the terrorists," which was
followed by the preemptive war in Iraq.

Fourth doctrine. "Freedom agenda". The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands."

You left the post wide open. I just took the ball and ran. My debate teachers
would have been proud.

Sounds like he's reading the talking points from DUmmies at Democratic Underground.

If a Republican says a war is a task from God, then, by golly, there will be no shortage of Oklahomans who will say "amen!" and go along with it.

The author of that Times blog piece, as you probably already know, is Laura Bush's former press secretary, and the only source he cites for this interpretation of the 'Bush doctrine' is far-right columnist Charles Krauthammer.

I had heard of the Bush Doctrine before, as had Gibson, obviously.

As a matter of fact, this "far-right columnist", as you call him, is the very person who coined the phrase, "Bush Doctrine" RealClearPolitics - Articles - Charlie Gibson's Gaffe

Everybody knows the bush doctrin' goes on at Bethesda Naval Hosptal.

If I count right, that's only one.

Four...hardy, har.

Unfortunatly, palin didn't understand the question which is really the point of all this.

Spin, spin, and more spin. No matter how much you spin her, she's not ever gonna turn into cotton candy.

EO, you've miscounted or aren't aware of what they are. There are at least 4.
Some cite 6 or 7, i.e. Jacob Weisberg and Peter Feaver.

I'd laugh but that wouldn't be polite, would it.

Spin prune spin and then don't get the joke.

See, Bush goes to the DOCTOR for his DOCTRIN.

Get it?

One place to see his DOCTOR for his DOCTRIN.'

See, you can't laugh if you don't get the joke.

Speaking of Jokes...6 or 7 bush doctrines.

A doctrine is not the same thing as a "policy" or an "opinion." Even if it were the same, I don't think Bush has 6 or 7 seperate ideas in his whole head.

Can anybody point to anywhere the term "Bush Doctrine" is used in any context other than Gibson's prior to Palin's stumbling answer?

How about it Prune? Anything before yesterday?

It has been used at least since 2003 to refer to pre-emptive military action as a foreign policy.

Yes. Charles Krauthammer coined the phrase after Bush 43's decision to withdraw
from the ABM Treaty. It was in the news in February of 2001. The one you
mentioned is the third use of the Bush Doctrine.

Maybe you just don't want to get it. Read the news, it's all there.


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