Jesus a community organizer?

[Prunepicker]

Steve Cohen said Jesus was a community organizer. That statement is ludicrous.
Jesus never organized any community. He would show up and people would
start following him.

Good grief! People aren't reading their Bible.

[bwana_bob]

I didn't read the article you're referencing but in regards to your comment about Jesus not organizing a community, I recall that Jesus asked some fisherman to lay down their nets and follow him. It is clear that Jesus and these men, the Apostles, lived as a community. That community survived Jesus' death and resurrection - this fact is chronicled in Acts, among other subsequent books.

[bwana_bob]

I found the statements you were referencing on Fox News:

Tennessee Rep. Compares Obama to Jesus, Suggests Palin is Pontius Pilate - America’s Election HQ

Anyone – Republican, Democrat or Martian – who wants to compare a politician to our Lord and Savior has taken a woeful path. Worship no false idols - that includes McCain and Obama.

[Prunepicker]

Originally Posted by bwana_bob

I didn't read the article you're referencing but in
regards to your comment about Jesus not organizing a community, I recall that
Jesus asked some fisherman to lay down their nets and follow him. It is clear that
Jesus and these men, the Apostles, lived as a community. That community
survived Jesus' death and resurrection - this fact is chronicled in Acts, among other
subsequent books.

Firstly, Jesus didn't ask. He commanded them and they obeyed.

Secondly, they were chosen to learn and preach the Gospel which he would
entrust to eleven of them.

Thirdly, Peter was married and had a house. He very likely lived there and met
Jesus daily. It's very probable that others were married and or lived at home.

[jstanthrnme]

[Midtowner]

Again, irrelevant.

Who cares?

Energy policies? Gun policies? Health Care? Welfare? Entitlements? Immigration?

Nope. This is the stupid crap our newsbringers think we need in order to make a decision this year. An obviously idiotic comment by a surrogate is not even deserving of news coverage.

[GWB]

Originally Posted by Prunepicker

Steve Cohen said Jesus was a community organizer. That statement is ludicrous.
Jesus never organized any community. He would show up and people would
start following him.

Good grief! People aren't reading their Bible.

It's amazing how liburuls get religion when they think it works to their advantage, no matter how theologically off based they are. Their ignorance is entertaining. Gotta love it.

[Prunepicker]

Originally Posted by Midtowner

Again, irrelevant...An obviously idiotic comment by a
surrogate is not even deserving of news coverage.

To whom are you referring?

[bwana_bob]

He's referring to Cohen - a surrogate for Obama, ergo someone who is a supporter with some standing who speaks on behalf of the candidate even if no one in Obama's campaign organization has specifically authorized him to do so.

[Midtowner]

Originally Posted by bwana_bob

He's referring to Cohen - a surrogate for Obama, ergo someone who is a supporter with some standing who speaks on behalf of the candidate even if no one in Obama's campaign organization has specifically authorized him to do so.

Which is why no one should care.

But no, people who lack the sense to figure out what matters and what doesn't think this is serious news.

[bwana_bob]

Originally Posted by Prunepicker

It's very probable that others were married and or lived at home.

You spoke as if with great authority until you got to the word "probable" – then threw in the "and/or" as a kicker.

You're not actively thinking about the analogy because to prove your point, you must follow your candidate's lead of demonizing the concept of a community organizer, err, that job with no responsibility. Meanwhile, others demonize Palin for her inexperience or arrogance.

Like Midtowner, I'm tired of seeing headlines about pit bulls or pigs with lipstick. Bring on the real issues, like the economy, health care, national security and foreign affairs.

I don't feel the need to align my world view with any of these candidates. From my perspective, they all have a lot to prove.

[Prunepicker]

Originally Posted by GWB

It's amazing how liburuls get religion when they think it
works to their advantage, no matter how theologically
off based they are. Their ignorance is entertaining. Gotta love it.

Another great quote was from BObama when he said that knowing
when life began was above his paid grade. Good grief!

For starters, it's in Psalm 139:13-16.

Some people running for president aren't reading their Bible.

[Midtowner]

Originally Posted by GWB

It's amazing how liburuls get religion when they think it works to their advantage, no matter how theologically off based they are. Their ignorance is entertaining. Gotta love it.

Why is this important?

If you choose to answer, I hope you think it through

[FritterGirl]

Originally Posted by Prunepicker

Another great quote was from BObama when he said that knowing
when life began was above his paid grade. Good grief!

For starters, it's in Psalm 139:13-16.

Some people running for president aren't reading their Bible.

You think McCain is up on his verses? Last time I checked this was a Democracy (Republic), not a Theocracy. Since when does specific biblical knowledge become a qualification for President?

[Prunepicker]

Originally Posted by bwana_bob

He's referring to Cohen - a surrogate for Obama...

Thanks for the help.

At any rate, It would be good if posters would retain a pertinent portion of the
post to which they are referring in order to clarify. This isn't a chat room and
many times it's very difficult to make the connection.

It's the same way on the listservs to which I'm a subscriber. Keeping a portion
of the post make sense.

[Prunepicker]

Originally Posted by FritterGirl

You think McCain is up on his verses? Last time I checked this was
a Democracy (Republic), not a Theocracy. Since when does specific biblical
knowledge become a qualification for President?

The USA is not a democracy by any stretch of the imagination. It is a
representative republic.

Bible knowledge isn't a qualification for being president. I don't see how you
managed to read that into these posts. However, if a senator, somebody
running for president or anybody else is going to use or quote from the Bible,
or any other books, they should know what they are talking about.

Obama has proven himself abysmal, when it comes to Biblical knowledge.

[GWB]

Originally Posted by Midtowner

Why is this important?

If you choose to answer, I hope you think it through

Who said it was important? Still, I stand by my comment.

[ddavidson8]

I'm amazed at how the democrats seem to be falling apart.

[GWB]

Originally Posted by Prunepicker

However, if a senator, somebody
running for president or anybody else is going to use or quote from the Bible,
or any other books, they should know what they are talking about.
Obama has proven himself abysmal, when it comes to Biblical knowledge.

Exactly right. Did you see when Obama used the "Sermon on the Mount" to justify civil unions between gay people? Talk about someone who doesn't know there Bible! Here's a article from the Catholic News Agency Obama’s Sermon on the Mount citation inaccurate, say religious leaders

Obama’s Sermon on the Mount citation inaccurate, say religious leaders

Washington DC, Mar 6, 2008 / 05:09 am (CNA).- Democrat presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama in a speech before a Hocking College crowd on Sunday claimed that the Sermon on the Mount justifies his support for legal recognition of same-sex unions, Cybercast News Service reports.

Obama’s speech drew perplexed responses from commentators who did not see the connection.

"I don't think it [a same-sex union] should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state," said Obama. "If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans."

The Sermon on the Mount, as recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, includes the Beatitudes, an endorsement of scriptural moral commandments, and condemnations of murder, divorce, and adultery. The passage in Romans (1:27) referred to by Obama condemns those who have rejected their creation in God’s image by their actions, among the acts mentioned is homosexual sex.

Kiera McCaffrey director of communications for the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, responded to Obama’s remarks on same-sex unions.

"It seems pretty bogus using (the Bible) to justify civil unions," McCaffrey told Cybercast News Service. "He should be using secular reasons to back it up.

"He can search the whole Bible and not find anything that justifies gay marriage or same-sex unions," she said.

Other religious leaders were also puzzled by Obama’s connection of the Sermon on the Mount and same-sex unions.

"If he's finding support for same-sex marriage from the Sermon on the Mount, he's reading a different Bible than I've ever read," Tom Minnery, senior vice president of government and public policy with Focus on the Family, told Cybercast News Service.

Reverend Jesse Peterson, founder and president of the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny, told Cybercast News Service that he too saw no connection between the cited passages and Obama’s platform.

"When I first heard Obama comment on the Sermon on the Mount and homosexuality I couldn't grasp any relationship between the two," Peterson said.

"There is no correlation at all. The Sermon on the Mount is for the saints, and it explains their suffering and their reward as a result of suffering for what is right for Christ's sake. It doesn't give blessings or approval to homosexual unions," he said.

"I think maybe Senator Obama came up with the wrong passage," Peterson said. "Unless he is just trying to deceive the people. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he could be so desperate to win he'll just say anything."

Obama recently published a letter on his campaign website promising that he would use the presidency as a “bully pulpit” for homosexual causes.

[GWB]

Tried to make spelling corrections in the above post but the edit function is not cooperating. Anyone else having edit problems here?

[Prunepicker]

Originally Posted by GWB

Tried to make spelling corrections in the above post but the edit function is not
cooperating. Anyone else having edit problems here?

Once, but most likely because I didn't push the right buttons.

[GWB]

Originally Posted by Prunepicker

Once, but most likely because I didn't push the right buttons.

Hmmm, are you questioning my ability to push the right buttons??

[Prunepicker]

Originally Posted by GWB

Hmmm, are you questioning my ability to push the right buttons??

sum times htem butons is hord to dorig ht.

[Prunepicker]

Originally Posted by GWB

Exactly right. Did you see when Obama used the "Sermon
on the Mount" to justify civil unions between gay people?
Talk about someone who doesn't know their Bible!

No kidding! Romans 1:18-32 certainly defines God's censure of homosexual
behavior and it can't be interpreted any other way.

Don't forget his totally out of context recitations from the old testament.

BObama is Biblically abysmal. It's likely a result from spending 20 years listening
to Jeremiah Wright.

[bretthexum]

Knowledge of the bible doesn't affect my decision for president. Why are you making this into a big deal?