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Old 09-09-2008, 11:31 AM
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Palestinian Brothers in Gaza Illegally Donate to Obama $29K, Says Reporter Aaron Klein

Here is something interesting Senator Obama, changed his mind on accepting federal dollars for his 08 campaign, which he had the right to change his mind.
However what do you think of Palestinian terrorists giving to Obama 08?
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Old 09-09-2008, 02:24 PM
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Palestinian Brothers in Gaza Illegally Donate to Obama $29K, Says Reporter Aaron Klein

Here is something interesting Senator Obama, changed his mind on accepting federal dollars for his 08 campaign, which he had the right to change his mind.
However what do you think of Palestinian terrorists giving to Obama 08?
It goes along with what many people think of Obama, scary.
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:43 PM
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WorldNetDaily and reporter Aaron Klein. Now that's unbiased, first-class journalism....not like the crazy, liberal mainstream media.
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:56 PM
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So are Hannity, Limbaugh, and Savage all over it?
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Old 09-09-2008, 04:04 PM
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So they're terrorists because they live in Palestine?
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Old 09-09-2008, 04:12 PM
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WorldNetDaily and reporter Aaron Klein. Now that's unbiased, first-class journalism....not like the crazy, liberal mainstream media.
Does the identity of the author make the information he reports any more or less true?

This is a pretty serious news organization if it actually maintains a Jerusalem news bureau.

The reporter lists his contact information at the bottom of the story if you think it's a lie, but he says (and I'm assuming he has the tapes to prove it) that these guys claimed to have bought Obama t-shirts worth around $30,000, a story which they backed off from and switched at several points during the interview.

Obama didn't necessarily do anything knowingly wrong here. His site merely allows donations from cities which don't exist (like Rafah, Georgia).
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:14 PM
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Palestinian Brothers in Gaza Illegally Donate to Obama $29K, Says Reporter Aaron Klein

Here is something interesting Senator Obama, changed his mind
on accepting federal dollars for his 08 campaign, which he had the
right to change his mind.

However what do you think of Palestinian terrorists giving to Obama
08?
I'll bet there's more credibility here than with Dan Blather's reporting of
President Bush's service record.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:10 PM
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Seems to me that they could have done a lot more good for their fellow Palestinian's by keeping that money local.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:15 PM
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Here's a curious item at Open Secrets.

Monir Edwan B. Obama contributor
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:33 PM
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However what do you think of Palestinian terrorists giving to Obama 08?
I think it's great...I think with his obvious direct ties with terrorists he will decrease gov't spending on security and that will allow him to lower taxes
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OpenSecrets | The Keating $50,000 - Capital Eye
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:22 PM
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I think it's great...I think with his obvious direct ties with terrorists he will decrease gov't spending on security and that will allow him to lower taxes
I like your sense of humor. At least I know you don't like links to terrorists.
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I like your sense of humor. At least I know you don't like links to terrorists.
A leftist reducing taxes.
Now that's funny.
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I think it's great...I think with his obvious direct ties with terrorists he will decrease gov't spending on security and that will allow him to lower taxes
OMG, Shoot me now.

I really think its hilarious when I hear these statements. In the last election all I heard was if Bush gets elected I am moving to Canada. Obviously I didn't live in OK. Now I hear it again from the opposite.

Yep... if Obama gets elected he's going to let the terrorists take over the country or attack again. Do you REALLY believe this? Good grief.

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Old 09-10-2008, 09:33 AM
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if Obama gets elected he's going to let the terrorists take over
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Who said that?
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Old 09-10-2008, 10:08 AM
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Ya know, it would make sense that the candidate who would tend to reduce our global empire would attract support from internationals.

Ron Paul says, (my paraphrase) "The terrorists don't hate us because we're rich and free. They hate us because we are over there!"

So, it would make sense that even terrorists would support a candidate who would leave them alone.

The corrollary is we risk more terrorist attacks here when we further our worldwide empire. Especially when those at the frontlines have guns.
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:04 AM
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Ya know, it would make sense that the candidate who would tend to reduce our global empire would attract support from internationals.

Ron Paul says, (my paraphrase) "The terrorists don't hate us because we're rich and free. They hate us because we are over there!"

So, it would make sense that even terrorists would support a candidate who would leave them alone.

The corrollary is we risk more terrorist attacks here when we further our worldwide empire. Especially when those at the frontlines have guns.
Ron Paul has some interesting thoughts. He's misguided if he thinks our presences pisses off the terrorists and therefore we need to leave. How come they are in so many counties and moving into more and more? Is it that they don't like it that the English are in the UK and therefore they are pissed at them there? Or the Dutch are in their homeland and they hate that? These people are moving into Africa in alarming numbers. Are we to get out of there because they don't want us there? The days are gone when we had two oceans to keep us safe. We live in a different world.
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:12 AM
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>"These people"

Don't go painting with an overly broad brush or anything.
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Look, to me it makes some sense that if Russia were to build massive military installations in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico and Toronto, Canada, say, we might have something to say about it.

Likewise, we are doing that exact thing overseas and getting the very response we would give if Russia did the same thing.
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:41 AM
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Look, to me it makes some sense that if Russia were to build massive military installations in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico and Toronto, Canada, say, we might have something to say about it.

Likewise, we are doing that exact thing overseas and getting the very response we would give if Russia did the same thing.
Do we have a national security interest in the far east? Do we have a moral interest in Africa? Do we have an interest in Russia setting up shop in say Cuba? Fifty years from now we maybe discussing who is right or wrong, but I want to be able to have my kids make that discussion as a free society. If pissing some people off gets that done, so be it.
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:47 AM
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Things like increased militarism and the Patriot Act have me convinced that our most dangerous enemy is within our own borders, not living in caves in the far flung regions of the globe.

Our response to terrorism has been more of an assault on our liberty than anything terrorists could accomplish with a few bombs.
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Things like increased militarism and the Patriot Act have me convinced that our most dangerous enemy is within our own borders, not living in caves in the far flung regions of the globe.

Our response to terrorism has been more of an assault on our liberty than anything terrorists could accomplish with a few bombs.
During WWII were liberties taken away for the good of fighting a war? Not many objected then because they understood the importance of protecting the country and winning a war. Sometimes I wonder if we can ever win a war with the criticisms leveled against fighting it. How do we fight a war on two fronts and tie our hands behind us?
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During WWII were liberties taken away for the good of fighting a war? Not many objected then because they understood the importance of protecting the country and winning a war. Sometimes I wonder if we can ever win a war with the criticisms leveled against fighting it. How do we fight a war on two fronts and tie our hands behind us?
You assume that there is a war which needs to be fought and that if there is, the right war is being fought. In short, you assume a hell of a lot.

Do you also assume that the Patriot Act, torturing captives, etc. are all good things which must be done if we are to achieve victory?

And what is victory, exactly?
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You assume that there is a war which needs to be fought and that if there is, the right war is being fought. In short, you assume a hell of a lot.

Do you also assume that the Patriot Act, torturing captives, etc. are all good things which must be done if we are to achieve victory?

And what is victory, exactly?
Oh maybe a bomb not blowing up in your yard might be a victory. Let's see how much you scream should that happen. If your son or daughter is being held by someone who is threatening to cut off their head, are you going to want the police to not do everything to get them back safe? I would want who ever can tell me something to be tortured if necessary to get a love one back. Don't tell me you want to stop and read them their rights.
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Old 09-10-2008, 01:28 PM
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Oh maybe a bomb not blowing up in your yard might be a victory. Let's see how much you scream should that happen. If your son or daughter is being held by someone who is threatening to cut off their head, are you going to want the police to not do everything to get them back safe? I would want who ever can tell me something to be tortured if necessary to get a love one back. Don't tell me you want to stop and read them their rights.
Your response makes me recall a question asked of Michael Dukakis when he ran against George Bush Sr.

"Governor, would you support the death penalty if [your wife] was raped and murdered?"

The question was hailed as one of the dumbest questions a journalist ever asked, and your question, although you are not a journalist, and I am not even running for the lowly post of community organizer, is right on that level of foolishness.

As for torture, I have vacillated between support in certain situations back to where I am now -- it is never okay. For the concept of America to mean anything, we have to be honest brokers, and for God's sake, we have to be very serious about our reputation when it comes to treating combatants fairly.

Even General Petraeus has spoken of questionable value of the information gleaned from tortured captives. "Certainly extreme physical action can make someone 'talk;' however, what the individual says may be of questionable value," he wrote. ("Why Congress, Bush Disagree on Waterboarding of Terror Suspects, Christian Science Monitor, March 7, 2008).

Tactics such as waterboarding have harmed our national reputation, perhaps irreparably, and have gained us information which, at least according to the highest commander in the Iraqi theater is of questionable value.

I've been lucky to know several Germans who fought against the U.S. (and were captured) in WWII. I know the grandson of a Japanese soldier who was captured and kept in an American POW camp as well. These men came to love America. While they knew first hand that their own POW camps were horrific, the American camps were not only humane, but rather pleasant places to live, on the whole. Partially as a result of how we behaved after we achieved brutal victories over those countries, they are today, some of our greatest allies. Do you really think the sentiment will be the same in Iraq and Afghanistan where we have used these interrogation tactics on people who, if they were guilty of anything, which isn't a condition-precedent to these interrogation methods, would have only possessed insignificant knowledge at best?

No, we are no longer considered the 'honest broker' and the one country which could be counted on to play by the rules. Instead, now, the end justifies the means and human rights take a backseat to our goals.

You may think that I'm one of those "get out of Iraq now" types. I'm actually not. I do believe that we have to stay there and finish the job. I do believe that being there in the first place was a mistake, but I think occupying countries on both the east and west sides of Iran presents a unique opportunity for us to be an isolating influence which will promote change from within in Tehran. I agree that it should be done, I simply disagree with our methods.
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