So there are questions swirling around about whether or not Palin has been a member and/or supporter of the Alaska Secessionist Movement.

The head of the movement has been quoted as saying, "the fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

Documented minutes exist of Gov. Palin welcoming this group to the Alaskan capital and telling them to "keep up the good work."

So we have Palin associating herself with people who "hate America." I would like someone on this board who has constantly lambasted Obama's preacher to please explain to me if you find this equally as reprehensible, or if you have somehow justified this and don't care, and if so what that justification is.

I have an ulterior motive. I'm curious if people are consistent, or if people are horrendously biased based on the party they affiliate themselves with.

Both parties are mirror parodies of one another. Same difference.

McCain & Obama will be more of the same.

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Her husband Todd was an active member of the secessionist party from the mid-nineties until 2002, when Sarah Palin ran for governor as a Republican.

I imagine this will actually play well with the so-called 'base.'

Luke, I couldn't agree with you more. It is absolutely hysterical what is happening. Everything that the one party is criticizing the other for, the other is adopting all of the exact same stances.

And sadly bornhere I think that is also true. Apparently being a traitor to your country is okay with the base when it is "southern heritage" or "Alaskan independence."

I noticed a couple other forum posters who heartily disagree with some of my views voted for Ron Paul (as I did). Out of curiosity... who did you vote for in the primaries (if you don't mind me asking)?

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I'm guessing that by 'stances,' you mean 'campaign tactics,' since their platforms are not identical. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

The reason campaigns end up being about BS is the same reason Paris Hilton is a celebrity and the same reason 'American Idol' is a hit: the American public likes crap, and would rather consume crap than anything that requires thirty seconds' thought.

Sad but true bornhere.

Luke, I wasn't registered as a Republican, but if I would have been able to vote in the Republican primary I would have voted for Ron Paul.

I think I said it on this board a long time ago, but basically I just want to be part of the Leave Me the Hell Alone Party. I'd like to think that if civil libertarians took over the Republican party more people would become interested in politics and vote them in, but honestly I think the concept scares most of the people in the country, especially the older folks.

I thought all Alaskans were part of that party. Goes with the territory. I think it is just rhetoric that young people go through. It amounts to some good old boy raising a confederate flag and popping a top yelling YAHOO! Chances are, he isn't even thinking bigotry or slavery or anything like that - he just wants to think of himself as a "rebel." It is a common stage people pass through when they are young and thoughless. If he were still saying such things, I'd be concerned.

From what I have picked up from where "welcoming" this group and their convention was to tell them she encouraged them for competing ideas. Never did she endorse them. Remember she is governor of ALL of Alaska. I would much rather give someone a soap box to talk from then have them get mad because I wouldn't listen and pick the soap box up and throw it at me.

I think they are opposite sides of the same coin. Those like Obama's preacher hate America for what it hasn't become yet, meaning the socialistic, nanny-state, Marxists "utopia". The secessionists hate America for what it is becoming, again, the socialistic, nanny-state, Marxists "utopia".

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I've lived in the deep south. When someone is raising a Confederate flag, chances are he is thinking bigotry if not slavery. It's not much different than a skinhead with a swastika tattoo.

I've lived in the south, too. In my neck of the woods, it didn't mean anything that sinister. It was just some old redneck kid whooping it up. Dukes of Hazard was around when I was young and that may have contributed to it being considered pretty harmless, if embarassing.

The liberals are going to label everything the republicans say and do as being racist. It's the way they operate when they get desperate, actually, it's the way they operate--period. They're trembling in their boots with fear because they know that their ultra-liberal, leftist, socialist candidate hasn't closed the deal yet. This year should favor a democratic candidate, but to the democrat's horror, Obama's poll numbers are still pretty much even with McCain's. We're gonna see a lot more nasty, verminous lies and false accusations spewed out of the mouths of the loony left for the next sixty days because they see victory slipping away.

Just another lame attempt for someone on this board to bring up a "gotcha,...... the neo-cons are hipocrites". I could list page after page of democrat left wing hypocrisy.
It's there, but I don't have the time.



Within two minutes I discovered and read the whole story.

This place is becoming a waste of time.

Even the mainstream press has come out and corrected this lie. She was never a part of that party.

This is the same kind of dirty tactic that has been used with Obama being a Muslim. He's not a Muslim and Palin isn't a separatist.

Obama does hate America though, just ask his pastor .

Naaah......really? LOL hard to get away from that pastor of so many years.

I'm proud to say that I couldn't pick Hilton out of a line up and I've
never seen American Idol.

Paris Hilton. You mean that place where you can stay overnight when vacationing in France?

GWB, please explain why you think Barack Obama is a socialist.

Not GWB but let me take a swipe at that. Obama wants to redistribute wealth in this country. He wants to have nationalized health care. These are socialists traits. There are other reasons but these stick out.

Nationalizing health care is no more socialist than providing you with roads to drive on, police protection, public schools, national defense, a park system, protecting your family from hazardous waste and the hundreds of other things that your government does for you every day. I would much rather my tax resources go to ensure everyone has access to healthcare than to spruce up Iraq or build a bridge to nowhere in Alaska, etc.

I think if you look back into US history you will see that many of the things you mentioned were not part of what the federal government assumed. We have gradually over time become more socialist in the way we have expected our government to operate. Most things like road building was left to local or states. While raising and maintaining a army to protect was an assumption of the federal government. As we have lost our will to assume personal responsibilities we have increasingly sought the federal government do it for us and we have become more socialistic. Social Security was a big leap to socialism. Some feel that we can't do without it now. The reality is just like other countries that have gone down the socialist path, we probably will have SS die if something isn't done in the private sector. Social medicine, as in other countries that have it, will lead to lesser medical standards then we have now. Just look to the North to see what I mean. Yes, Obama is a socialist and will lead us into becoming something that our forefathers never intended.

Agreed...I would much prefer that our doctors have the ability to treat patients w/o having to adhere to what the lovely insurance companies allow

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Everyone does have access to healthcare. Our healthcare is the best in
the world and will stay that way unless it becomes socialized.

By the way, in case someone doesn't know, healthcare isn't a right and
taxes aren't resources.