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Old 08-14-2008, 12:24 AM
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Sorry for three-in-a-row....but before somebody starts the "class warfare" canard...
Here's a screenshot of Warren Buffet's famous quote from The New York Times on November 26th, 2006:

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Old 08-14-2008, 01:21 AM
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I have no problem with Military/defense spending in any chart I viewed.
A governments first priority is defending its populace.
Alot of what our government does should be done by individuals and non profit or other humanitarian groups.
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Most of what our defense budget goes for has little to do with defending the populace. Over the course of the 20th and 21st centuries, most of our military actions have been launched at the behest of some corporate or political ally of whatever administration was in power.
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Old 08-14-2008, 10:05 AM
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Most of what our defense budget goes for has little to do with defending the populace. Over the course of the 20th and 21st centuries, most of our military actions have been launched at the behest of some corporate or political ally of whatever administration was in power.
Not entirely true. Our ability to defend the USA prevented the USSR from attacking from the 50's well into the 80's. Attacks on our land are thwarted for the simple fact of what our retaliation can do.

Our military is a necessary and constitutional.
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Old 08-16-2008, 12:23 AM
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Please site your source on that graphic. It seems to be missing social programs in toto, unless that has been lumped into "HR." I'd like to explore its rationale a bit more.

Yes there are off-book expenditures in the defense budget. But there are also off-book expenditures in all of the other divisions of the budget as well, pretty substantial amounts in the other divisions related to pensions and medicaid actually. The point of the CBO data (which is run by Congress, which is run by Democrats FYI) is to compare apples to apples by looking at current year expenditures for the current year and exclude off-book expenditures.

The point of me posting that graphic is that, like every other issue we face, the solution isn't simple and there is no silver bullet. For someone on the left to say "the problem is the defense budget, just cut it!" is about as ridiculous as someone on the right saying the same thing about any of the other budgets. The truth is that the only way we are ever going to see balanced budgets is by increasing the tax rate substantially and making drastic spending cuts across the board effecting all budgets.
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Old 08-16-2008, 12:27 AM
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FYI, I do think our military budget could easily be cut and probably does need to see that happen to some degree, but not to the degree you are thinking. The fact of the matter is that for all intents and purposes we are now the world police, and unless and until our allies and/or the member states of the UN decide to put up the cash and their fair share of military forces of their own to support the literally dozens of peace-keeping missions that we do then we will always have the largest military in the world.
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Old 08-16-2008, 12:40 AM
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Dismayed, Your figures are always used by the government, and the political right, to show how "little" in percentage we pay toward defense.

There's just one problem...



Here's what it REALLY looks like:



The deception in using trust money outlays is deceptive - but typical.
Source?

The first graph comes from the CBO. Where does the second graph come from?

It also says where your "income tax" goes. There are other sources of government revenue. This graph looks invented out of thin air.
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Source?

The first graph comes from the CBO. Where does the second graph come from?

It also says where your "income tax" goes. There are other sources of government revenue. This graph looks invented out of thin air.
No kidding. And where's the freaking interest? There are several things that right off the bat should be on that graphic that aren't, which tells me that virtually no research at all went into it.
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