Shia Islam is a lot like Catholicism. They look outside of their holy book for church dogma.

As for believing in a higher power, it is absolutely irrational. That's why they call it "faith."

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No. Islam only asks men and women to be modest.

One of my best friends is a Shia's from Iran and she just told me that one of their core beliefs is that Muhammad was the last and final messenger from God. Anything else that they believe is cultural not religious.

Thinking that one person can speak for Islam in general is narrow-minded.

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Muhammad speaks for Islam.

Women didn't even start veiling themselves until generations after Muhammad died..

You do not know anything about Muslims apparently.

Let me flip this around... Imagine if Craig Groeschel got up and said that all the members of lifechurch needed to go to work in their pajamas to prove that they loved God. We could call up James Dodson and find some way to twist a passage in the Bible to support that premise.

Would it be required for an employer to allow people to run around in pjs due to religious reasons?

i don't know, toadrax... throwing around the word shia as a demonym shows to me that you apparently know very little about the muslim faith.

furthermore, your repeated theme of "if you don't think like me, you're obviously an idiot" reeks of trollish, flamebait behavior. we ban trolls around here. just sayin'. -M

Back to the original topic...

If Incredible Pizza wants to work under these assumptions (taken from the IPC website)

Family Values

* To always speak positively and encourage each other with mutual respect.
* To be prompt, appropriately dressed and practice good personal hygiene.
* To be loyal, honest, trustworthy and friendly.
* To always work safely, watching out for others as well as ourselves.
* To always work as a team, serving each other and helping wherever needed.
* To approach change with excitement and a teachable spirit, knowing that we are constantly improving everything we do.

Then I don't think this is a terrible organization.

I mean, gah, working as a team? Trying to constantly improve oneself? Being friendly? What TERRIBLE principles.

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The majority of people do not take their religion or culture with them to work at all, because they are not idiots. Most people dress professionally or at least appropriately.

France has outlawed the display of all religious displays in their schools (including headscarves) and employers are free to do the same.

I am only calling a small percentage of people idiots. There are other benefits to banning such things.

The Veil Controversy

If you don't agree with someone's religious views or hiring practices then don't work there. Why would you want to? There are many many many other places to work. ??? Why would you waste time worrying about it??? There are many many many other things that do concern you personally, I am sure, that you could worry about.

My only problem with a lot of places hiring processes is that...Well...They won't hire me.

I'm just going to start sending out my resume as simply "I AM BILL BRASKY" in 72 point.

First, if it doesn't matter what you wear to work - then why is it a big deal that they want to wear articles that represent their religion? Furthermore - it is an assumed decision of society to decide what exactly is deamed 'business attire'. Who says it's professional for a woman to wear a skirt and pantyhose? I think that should be listed in the book of tortures. I hate those things. If you can look at it as NOT being a big deal to wear such things, then why is it such a big deal TO wear them?

Second - I WISH Craig would tell us to go to work in our pajamas! I would love that. Because I am so brainwashed by him that I do every thing he tells me to do. I no longer have a mind of my own. I wonder what he wants me to eat for lunch today? Maybe Incredible Pizza!

No need to be a jerk. You don't own the board, no matter how many posts you have. If you're tired of deigning to give your non-licensed legal opinion on matters, then just stop. Your derision, snobbery and smartassery give real attorneys a bad name. Follow Doug's lead if you want to see how to help others understand the law without being a raging prick.

An opinion isn't the same thing as advice.

You don't have to be licensed to have or express an opinion. I'm careful about not crossing the line -- if this fella thinks he has been discriminated against, a message board is a dumb place to be looking for advice as to whether he has a claim. Sometimes, being blunt is the best way to get your point across.

He asks his question in the form of a question regarding his "concern" about Incredible Pizza's policies. I don't think you could possibly think I was giving advice to Incredible Pizza, so I'm not sure who or what you think I'm giving advice to???

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Cant we just agree that it was a misworded and irrelevant question... thats all... nothing more, nothing less

We can, unless Midtowner might be trying to make the point that the OP's expressed desire for legal enlightenment might be considered disingenuous given his "I'm spiritual" disclaimer....building a strawman argument to base a possible subsequent bashing of an organization that dared to express a desire to employ Godly principles in their operation....now I would never dare to presume to speak for Midtowner, as he is more than capable of speaking for himself .

Another poster on this thread summed it up perfectly: Any employer that constructs a given criteria to be a "bona fide occupational requirement" can eliminate anyone they want - almost. I read about a case several years ago were a woman was denied employment as a member of a fire department because she did not meet height requirements. The city, I thought, made a perfectly rational and sensible defense of their position, citing various studies about safety and the types of equipment used and the physical attributes of individuals being trained to use them. The city lost. So "bona fide" isn't a slam dunk.

geeeeee wizzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....mention God anywhere on this forum and all hell breaks loose!!

Midtowner smelled b--- s--- from a mile away when he read that question.

Also, apparently, Midtowner likes to speak about himself in the third person.

(Bob Dole).

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lol Mid...

Brings back memories (not only of that election)...In Marine Corps boot camp, we had to refer to ourselves (and the Drill Instructors) in 3rd person the whole time.

The worst thing about referring to oneself in the third person is that it conjures up (for me) memories of Bob Dole.

Memories of Bob Dole make me think about Viagra.

-- and that is most unfortunate.

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