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Shall we get a pool going to see who can guess which anchor will leave next and when?
My guess will be Macy's and the time I predict is sometime between back to school season and next spring. Come to think of it, the city should recruit Macy's to move downtown. We could have a version of the NYC events right here in OKC. On another note this makes me laugh... Quote:
Wait a minute I know who they are talking to.... OLD PARIS FLEA MARKET. They are about to need a home after they lose the place to Crooked Oak Schools. There is no other place in the district to build and OKC Public Schools is not about give up any land for Crooked Oak to build a school. |
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Heck, even The Dollar Tree would be too upscale for Crossroads, now. Actually, this is all so sad. I remember going to Crossroads the first weekend it opened. I was 14 and went with my grandparents. I was in awe. It was packed and everyone was so proud of the new mall. The only real "mall" before Crossroads had been Shephard Mall and the open-air Penn Square. Which, I also have fond memories of. I always say that if they built that open-air Penn Square today, we would all think that was so cool. Times change.
If they razed it tomorrow and built a lifestyle center they would come out better years down the road. ------------------ |
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I'm sad to hear that this is confirmed! I keep holding out hope that Crossroads will somehow "revive" itself. I still stop by there from time to time for Macy's, Dillard's, JCP, VS, and Bath & Body Works, but that's about it. Oh, and Chik Fil A.
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It is only a matter of time before they open a southside Chik-Fil-A. It will probably go somewhere south of 240 (104th, 119th or 134th) or down on I-35 & 19th in Moore. |
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Man, I wish I had said something about this a while back. I didn't realize this was just now being reported. I think I first learned about Penneys leaving back in February but I thought the cat was already out of the bag.
You gotta love the way Macerich (Crossroads Management) dealt with the whole issue. As soon as Macerich realized JCP was gone, they sold the mall. I don't blame them. I wouldn't want to be a part of a sinking ship either. From what I understand the new owner takes the reigns June 1, and the good news is, they plan on spending some money to get things back in shape. Now, that's just hearsay so there's no telling what the mall will be like five years from now. However, I've talked with some of the mall employees (not tenant employees) and they said they were guaranteed a raise when the new ownership took place. So, I'm assuming the raise is indication the company is willing to spend a little more money. We'll see in a few years I guess.
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The link will provide the most up to date rendering of the shopping center plans. http://www.mooreed.com/CollinsDevelo...rendering).pdf Chik-Fil-A is going to be located at the SW corner of the shopping center.
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Funny how the mall manager that was interviewed didn't seem to care much about JC Penney's leaving. All he did was talk about how well the outparcel stores are doing, in which he has no control of.
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My ex-fiance was a merchandise manager at Crossroads in 98-99. That's why we moved to OKC, he was transferred here. He really enjoyed the people he worked with there. I haven't been to Crossroads mall since then.
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When I was in college (78-82) I worked in Crossroads at Orbach's.
For those that don't remember, Orbach's was much like Harold's: upscale men's store. The other OKC location was 50 Penn Place. Shows you how much that mall has changed. Wow. |
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metro... it was tim lyons, company spokesman for jc penney that was discussing the success of outparcel stores. the article switches interviews midstream.
jbrown... i think the article is misspeaking here. it says that the crossroads location is 200,000 sqft and other documents show the new jc penney locations weigh in at around 100,000 sqft each. -M |
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The one they are buliding in Moore is definitely more lean and mean than the Crossroads location...Guessing it is more like the size of a Kohls just glancing at it going by
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Definitely only one floor....If you are driving on I-35 it is the farthest back of the two bldgs now up....Not huge by any means
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I'll bet you dollars to donuts that Sears tries to grab that old Penny's space. That may not be much of a net gain for Crossroads, however, as I'm not sure Sears will exist (at least as we know it today) in five years.
From a purely selfish motive, I wish Chick-Fil-A weren't building *quite* so far into Moore. That doesn't improve the driving distance too much for me. A location farther west of Crossroads, right along I-240 (maybe a [i]little[i] south, say along that new 89th and Western development - hint, hint) would be most welcome... I, too, lament the deterioration of Crossroads. I remember when it opened that it was an incredibly eye-popping place; Orange Julius were the treat of all treats, and to spend a buck or two at the original LeMans Speedway was just *the best*. I remember when Emmer Brothers spanned two floors on the south side of the west corridor, and the local MD telethon used to originate from the center court area. Although Crossroads is, in part, a victim of the area of town surrounding it to the immediate north/northeast, its owners financial neglect surely hasn't helped. I hope the new owner's (apparent?) willingness to put some capital into the place at least gives some hope that some brighter future is ahead... -soonerdave |
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Let me add my feelings of sadness that Crossroads seems to be in such dire straits. (Personally I have been to Macy's several times and it has been nearly devoid of customers.) However there is a note of inevitability to its decline and possible failure. When it opened it drew from smaller towns and rural areas to the south and southeast. Since then however both Norman and Shawnee have opened sizable malls of their own, thus choking off Crossroads' customer base to the south and southeast. And the area of Oklahoma City proper that surrounds Crossroads is not a lucrative customer base. Furthermore as Moore adds more and more commercial outlets, even that customer base is shrinking. So I hope Crossroads finds a way to survive, but I am not optimistic.
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I have never liked Penneys, and I have never shopped there...
but... I went into a free standing one in Austin, like the ones they are building here and it was VERY nice, more open space, better layouts... like a nice Kohls. I will actually consider shopping there. I think it gives Penneys a new image, and that is what they need. |
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I think the first sign that Penny's was going to really change itself was with the store they built out at Penn Square. Even though it was still a two-story mall-style store, it was *much* smaller than the other Penny's I'd visited, and the general style sure seemed like a departure. I think these newer stores are an outgrowth of that smaller style, even down to single-story venues...
I can't help but think one morning Crossroads will just wake up and discover that "Steve and Barry's" just packed up and left overnight. Strange and unappealing little store, at least to me... -soonerdew |
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As long as Steve and Barry's stays in OKC somewhere, I'll be alright.
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If I owned Crossroads I would look at redeveloping the mall into a mixed use of residential, shopping and office space. Then lobby the city and other investors to create something like this:
Stapleton - Feels Different Developers in Denver converted the old Stapleton Airport into a mix use of retail, office space, schools and housing. The same thing could be done as an I-35 corridor project from downtown to Moore. |
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hmmmmm, jails and prisons are overcrowded in many places in state and in metro area, a big space is getting emptier and emptier, some say lots of law enforcement end up there regularly anyhow ... hmmm, Crossroads Correctional Center ... CCC aka The Cube ... (nah, couldn't happen ...)
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