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Old 12-01-2009, 06:21 AM
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Me, Doug and Betts, we're up to 3 any more?
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Old 12-01-2009, 07:43 AM
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Me, Doug and Betts, we're up to 3 any more?
Native born OKC resident (raised everywhere else) moved back during my college days and live across the street from where I was born in NW OKC
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Old 12-01-2009, 07:52 AM
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I live in Oklahoma City. Unlike Pulse, Kevin, and Midtowner just to name a few.
I live in OKC unlike the majority of the Fire and Police forces.
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Old 12-01-2009, 07:53 AM
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:14 AM
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As noted numerous times, I reside in Norman and thus canna vote for this MAPs or any of the prior MAPs for that matter. Puts me in the same living category as numerous commuters, city workers, union heads, pro team owners, street sweepers, ctraft folks, trade folks, car dealership company owners, etc.

I don't reside in TX, not even a mondo football fan,but I sometimes keep tabs on what's happening at UT as well. Guess I'm just weird like that.

OKC is prettier now and way more enjoyable than in the 80's, even mid 90's, but even with its improvements via MAPs, it simply doesn't compare to having my daughter and granddaughter on this side of the pond for a spell. So next few weeks, every opportunity I get, I'm simply Poppa at home and the present FC tax will be a tad lighter. Should be back on regular visits by the time the MAPs3 collections begin, and look forward to contributing my part to the city's progress.

So there ya have it.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:33 AM
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My wife and I are voting YES.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:43 AM
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"NO" signs in my yard and the yards of my family and extended family.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:56 AM
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The LG lives in, owns a house on the NW OKC side, on the periphery of the urban core. Four "Yes" signs in my yard.
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:06 AM
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I live in OKC.
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:30 AM
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OKC resident for 23yrs. Metro area since 1969.
"NO" signs in my yard and the yards of my family and extended family.
Why?
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:33 AM
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Why do the No voters have to explain themselves everytime they identify themselves?
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:40 AM
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Why?
I don't think the "YES" voters can concieve or grasp any opinions that run contrary to their own. I understand your position completely. Don't have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with, is being portrayed as a "backward thinking union goon" just because I have different priorities than some of the others on this board. As a matter of fact, if this passes, I hope they put all the money towards the mass transit. That IMO is what we could use most. There is certainly nothing from stopping them.

I think I have pretty well explained my opposition to this on several threads. Don't feel like re-hashing it.
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Old 12-01-2009, 10:37 AM
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The people who are content should move to Deer Creek or Jones.
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Old 12-01-2009, 10:38 AM
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I don't think the "YES" voters can concieve or grasp any opinions that run contrary to their own. I understand your position completely. Don't have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with, is being portrayed as a "backward thinking union goon" just because I have different priorities than some of the others on this board. As a matter of fact, if this passes, I hope they put all the money towards the mass transit. That IMO is what we could use most. There is certainly nothing from stopping them.

I think I have pretty well explained my opposition to this on several threads. Don't feel like re-hashing it.
Seems about right.
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:23 AM
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Seems about right.
What a well thought out high-minded response.LOL Thank you for proving my point.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:23 PM
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If you really cared, CALL the owner and ask. Maybe you'll get specifics.
Here comes the spoon....

Downtown Oklahoma City

(405) 605-3131
Or people could go there and ask the staff. That's what I did today.

Really great sandwiches there btw.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:56 PM
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Regardless of how this turns out, I have lost most of my respect for the union idiots and will never support them in this city again.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:15 PM
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If the economy was still rocking, there would be little opposition to this. I'm all for improving the city, but the kernel of truth behind Shannon's rants is that MAPS3 is coming at a terrible time. My household is tightening our financial belt, as I'm sure everyone else's is. I'd like a new wardrobe and a new car, but common-sense tells me to hold off until I'm sure I can pay for them. I'd like my government to exercise similar common-sense.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:55 PM
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Why do the No voters have to explain themselves everytime they identify themselves?
I think it's just hard for many to grasp why someone who lives here and stands to benefit from the increased revenue and economic development that MAPS will create would not want that to happen. It's easy to understand why someone in another community would not want MAPS to pass because they stand to gain all of the development that chooses their community over the city, which will in turn increase the quality of their services as Oklahoma City fishes for new funding sources as its revenues decline or flatten.

Given the amount of money that MAPS has brought into the city, it just makes sense to keep reinvesting it into the city for future generations. We will get a quality of life that continues to improve, while more economic development means more revenue for the city and its services. If the city does not continue to find ways to offer marquee facilities, infrastructure, and attractions it will become irrelevant within the region. Why does someone who lives here want that?

The reality it seems is that most of the opposition is really indifferent to that. What they are doing is using MAPS 3 as an attention grab to draw publicity to their causes which are tangential at best or they have a rigid political philosophy that is focused more on the means than the ends.. The irony is that many of the opposition groups, like fire and police, stand to gain significantly from increased revenue generated from an elevated city profile. Stagnant investment into ones community is a recipe for erosion of funds and revenue stream and one the first thing that always gets cut is city services (see Detroit). Of course, if they don't live in the city, maybe they don't care, as they want to see their job moved to their community in the first place.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:58 PM
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I think it's just hard for many to grasp why someone who lives here and stands to benefit from the increased revenue and economic development that MAPS will create would not want that to happen. It's easy to understand why someone in another community would not want MAPS to pass because they stand to gain all of the development that chooses their community over the city, which will in turn increase the quality of their services as Oklahoma City fishes for new funding sources as its revenues decline or flatten.

Given the amount of money that MAPS has brought into the city, it just makes sense to keep reinvesting it into the city for future generations. We will get a quality of life that continues to improve, while more economic development means more revenue for the city and its services. If the city does not continue to find ways to offer marquee facilities, infrastructure, and attractions it will become irrelevant within the region. Why does someone who lives here want that?

The reality it seems is that most of the opposition is really indifferent to that. What they are doing is using MAPS 3 as an attention grab to draw publicity to their causes which are tangential at best or they have a rigid political philosophy that is focused more on the means than the ends.. The irony is that many of the opposition groups, like fire and police, stand to gain significantly from increased revenue generated from an elevated city profile. Stagnant investment into ones community is a recipe for erosion of funds and revenue stream and one the first thing that always gets cut is city services (see Detroit). Of course, if they don't live in the city, maybe they don't care, as they want to see their job moved to their community in the first place.
Its really a no-brainer. Perhaps that's the problem.......

Or, its the fact its a union power issue.....
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:02 PM
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I think it's just hard for many to grasp why someone who lives here and stands to benefit from the increased revenue and economic development that MAPS will create would not want that to happen. It's easy to understand why someone in another community would not want MAPS to pass because they stand to gain all of the development that chooses their community over the city, which will in turn increase the quality of their services as Oklahoma City fishes for new funding sources as its revenues decline or flatten.

Given the amount of money that MAPS has brought into the city, it just makes sense to keep reinvesting it into the city for future generations. We will get a quality of life that continues to improve, while more economic development means more revenue for the city and its services. If the city does not continue to find ways to offer marquee facilities, infrastructure, and attractions it will become irrelevant within the region. Why does someone who lives here want that?

The reality it seems is that most of the opposition is really indifferent to that. What they are doing is using MAPS 3 as an attention grab to draw publicity to their causes which are tangential at best or they have a rigid political philosophy that is focused more on the means than the ends.. The irony is that many of the opposition groups, like fire and police, stand to gain significantly from increased revenue generated from an elevated city profile. Stagnant investment into ones community is a recipe for erosion of funds and revenue stream and one the first thing that always gets cut is city services (see Detroit). Of course, if they don't live in the city, maybe they don't care, as they want to see their job moved to their community in the first place.
And I think what you're failing to grasp is that nothing in MAPS3 will improve my quality of life. I don't live downtown. I don't have a vehicle to get me to the Park, I don't have a vehicle to get me to the Streetcar, and if I did, it would be ridiculous for me to drive to a streetcar stop and ride it for an additional 3-5 miles.

None of the generated taxes will be used to improve my neighborhood, none of it will be used to improve the blighted areas of the city that aren't in the Downtown area. Look at Pete Brzycki's post about his visit to the City and his impression of the NW part of town. Why didn't all the tax revenue generated by MAPS1 and M4K help the rest of the city? How is MAPS3 going to be any different?
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:05 PM
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And I think what you're failing to grasp is that nothing in MAPS3 will improve my quality of life. I don't live downtown. I don't have a vehicle to get me to the Park, I don't have a vehicle to get me to the Streetcar, and if I did, it would be ridiculous for me to drive to a streetcar stop and ride it for an additional 3-5 miles.

None of the generated taxes will be used to improve my neighborhood, none of it will be used to improve the blighted areas of the city that aren't in the Downtown area. Look at Pete Brzycki's post about his visit to the City and his impression of the NW part of town. Why didn't all the tax revenue generated by MAPS1 and M4K help the rest of the city? How is MAPS3 going to be any different?
me, me, me, me, me - what about ME? How is it going to help ME? Whats in it for ME?
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:13 PM
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Hey, mugobeer, when did you learn the words to the Police / Fire / AFSCME fight song?
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:18 PM
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And I think what you're failing to grasp is that nothing in MAPS3 will improve my quality of life.
I believe that.
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:20 PM
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I live in Midtown. I've used pretty much every MAPS 1 element and I plan to use pretty much every MAPS 3 element. 6 Yes MAPS signs around our building.

BTW, I'm a direct statistic for this type of investment. I would have never lived downtown if not for the amenities of MAPS 1. I'm willing to bet that more people will follow suit, once MAPS 3 is in full motion.
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