If you were the CEO, depending on the company. You'd do exactly what is bringing the downfall of this country. Which is, move all of your jobs to another country. Just like DELL is doing. After getting millions in tax breaks they are slowly doing just that.
Oh yes. If THIS doesn't pass were going back to "soup kitchens". We'll go backward..."don't loss the momentum!!!" It will be another 7 1/2 years until we have anymore growth in this city. NO other Businesses will move to OKC...Don't Stop Progress!!! Give me a break!
No, I don't care if you retract the statement. Oh well, thank you for being so kind with your "Charitable description". Don't whine when I return the favor. I've been admonished several times for the same thing. I can assure you i've done the same..."charitable descriptions"...

Quick question to anyone who might know: Are they planning on tearing down the State Fair Speedway to build the new convention space or is it going just south of that?

Wow, you really lack basic reading comprehension. I hope what you do for a living doesn't require following directions.

I'm not sure we'll get to the point of needing soup kitchens. However, if we do, things are more likely to go as planned, if you have a plan. I hope we are planning for improvment over the next 7 1/2 years.

Doug's information on his blog is some the fairest, most neutral writings I have seen during the whole run up to the vote. An interesting part is that both sides are maybe pushing their agendas for hidden reasons. We can discuss the post-mortem after the vote. Good public policy should include a wide variety of stakeholders in the conversation. The projects are not guaranteed and can be changed by any future city council. They could have put each project up for a vote. The average cost of the tax will be $1000 a person or $4000 per family. I put this together to add to the debate video YouTube Link The Math: The figures come from Tom Anderson - project coordinator for the city, a past city budget director, and Mark Snead /OSU Economics Professor and OKC's Budget Forecaster. When confronted the Chamber president Roy Williams agreed.

Have not seen anything to suggest the convention center will go anywhere other than between the river and downtown, and closer to downtown.

Some of the other construction specifically planned for the fairground might impact the speedway somehow, but not the convention center.

In another thread, David, I did the math showing that to spend the $1500 you claim over just a 7 year period, you'd have to spend $1783/month on taxable items. Unlikely for the average Oklahoman.

But for $4000? $4000/7 = 571/12=$47.58/month.

If $47.58 = 1% of x, then x = $4,758.00 you're claiming the average family spends on taxable purchases.

Maybe in some parts of Oklahoma City, but not in average parts of Oklahoma City is that true.

1. Midtowner watch the whole video you miss big parts. 2. Are you calling City and Chamber officials liars? This is their math not mine. The Math: The figures come from Tom Anderson - project coordinator for the city, a past city budget director, and Mark Snead /OSU Economics Professor and OKC's Budget Forecaster. When confronted the Chamber president Roy Williams agreed.

So if Tom Anderson says the average family of four pays over $4,000 per month in OKC on taxable purchases, then that somehow makes what you're selling more credible.

Tell me this -- does your family spend this much on taxable purchases? Do you even know any families where this is the case?

I'm here to tell ya -- I come from a pretty well-to-do family and we never spent anywhere close to that except when making major purchases. I also practice family law in OKC with mid-to-high-income clients. In the course of doing this, I have to become very familiar with their personal finances -- probably even more familiar than my clients are. I rarely see that sort of spending going on -- and when I do? The bulk is spent on debt service for purchases not subject to sales tax.

In short, you're either presenting this information in a very misleading/false manner, or your source is wrong. I'm guessing the former.

Everyone knows that. Your always right mentality supports it.
Good question. In Midtowner's world he's the authority on everything. Not one side or the other. There are those FACTS. Then there is Midtowner's world and we're just living in it. LOL
Agreed.

Hi, David. How've you been? Hope your mom is well. Thanks for the nice comment. Naturally, I'll be writing a piece about why I'm voting yes, to accompany the other kinds of articles, but not just yet.

I hadn't noticed you posting about MAPS 3 before the above. You still live in Warr Acres?

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I saw that also. I wonder if he meant to say exhibit center rather than convention? I guess I need to ask him.

Well worth it just for the park alone

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Dr. Spaceman: Now Jenna, medically speaking for your height your weight puts you what we call the "disgusting" range. Fortunately there are solutions. For example, crystal meth has been shown to be very effective. How important is tooth retention to you?

And an even better bargain when one ignores the made up overstated figure.
Assuming the passage of MAPs, I'll be happy to continue to pay that extra penny whenever I'm within the collection area.

from: tom.anderson@okc.gov

Dear Mr. Glover,

I enjoyed our conversation this morning.

With regard to your question as to what percent of Oklahoma City sales tax is paid by Oklahoma City citizens, the Finance Department has just recently received information on this topic. Based on an economic analysis conducted by Oklahoma State University economist Dr. Mark Snead, the average Oklahoma City resident can expect to pay about $10 per month for the 15 months the Ford Center Improvements Sales Tax will be in effect. This is based on economic data that shows 30.5% of Oklahoma City's sales taxes are paid by people who live outside the City. For the $120,000,000 estimated to be collected through the one cent sales tax, this means approximately $36.6 million will come from people who are not citizens of Oklahoma City.

I hope this information is responsive to your questions. Please do not hesitate to contact me should you have additional questions or comments.

Regards,

Thomas A. Anderson
Executive Manager - Special Projects
Office of the City Manager

One thread would probably be quite enough, but, since you've posted it more than once, I'll ask my question again.

I agree that the math works out very nicely to $10 per person per month, recognizing that many people pay more and many pay less. However, I am curious as to why sales tax paid by businesses inside Oklahoma City was not factored into this equation. Is there a sales tax rebate for all city businesses which I am not aware of? I suspect Devon and Chesapeake buy enough equipment annually to almost dwarf what we mortals are capable of spending.

I have been good. Mom is well. I was torn on Maps 3 - really wanted to be for it. I still live in the Village.

Sure you were really riding the fence on this one

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Dr. Spaceman: Now Jenna, medically speaking for your height your weight puts you what we call the "disgusting" range. Fortunately there are solutions. For example, crystal meth has been shown to be very effective. How important is tooth retention to you?

I thought Republicans were for smaller government and lower taxes, I thought Democrats were against regressive taxation. So who is for the Maps 3 Tax - Independents that are PRO corporate socialism?

How about: Many Republicans, Democrats and Independents are united in their wishes for progress in Oklahoma City? Many of us, regardless of our political views towards taxation understand that MAPS gives us something visible for our money that we can see is good for the city. Many of us are civic minded individuals who understand that, as citizens, we shouldn't sit back and expect someone else to do everything for us. Many of us have seen how MAPS projects have transformed our city, and consider a penny tax a small price to pay for making our home a better place in which to live, a place we can be proud of. I'm living in a house divided, politically, and we're all voting yes for MAPS.

All but the folks whose lives are driven by pessimism

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Dr. Spaceman: Now Jenna, medically speaking for your height your weight puts you what we call the "disgusting" range. Fortunately there are solutions. For example, crystal meth has been shown to be very effective. How important is tooth retention to you?

I have a few questions. Were all of the previous maps projects completed? Were all the projects completed on time and how much did they go over budget, if they did go over budget?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Go us! (Because in terms of right wing radio talk show hosts, everyone is either a Republican or a Democrat, and nothing else.)

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I'm just your typical OKC enthusiast..that's not always "enthusiastic."

My son is a Libertarian, and he's voting for MAPS. Isn't that interesting? But, he's also a (very) young adult, and young adults are all about growing their downtown. In fact, I suspect that's the single most pro-MAPS group of all, based on conversations I've had. They want mass transit, they love the idea of an urban park and anything that stimulates downtown development, even though they can't remember the disaster that was Oklahoma City pre-MAPS.

Most young people support the dedouchebag-ification of downtown, and therefore do not support Bezdek or the creation of a new hub by those who facilitated the destruction of the functionality of Urban Station as a hub.
MAPS is a greed over taste profit over people Corporate-as-hell make your city stand out by being just like other cities big box stores everywhere pile of slop that only a young person who has not been out much would support.