T.A.C. 2008 - Tinker Aerospace Complex

Seems like a no brainer to me...But I'm basing that solely on the Friends for Tinker ads running on tv

Honestly I don't really see a downside to it

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Anyone see the Tinker article in the OK Gazette? Apparently they are afraid of BRAC doing another closing and don't want Tinker to appear to be under utilizing the available space and have them shut down. The Air Force is also cutting down on cost since a lot of their money is being spent on operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm still voting hell NO on this one.

No!!!!! We'd be paying for an Oklahoma County cash cow.

I just can't see this happening....it seems like every 2 or 3 years, the tax payers have to do something to keep Tinker. I'm afraid the reasoning behind this one has not been explained enough to go forward with it.

Tinker Bond Issue 2008
Vote May 13, 2008

“The Board of County Commissioners of Oklahoma County has set a bond election on May 13, 2008, to ask the registered voters of Oklahoma County to vote regarding whether to approve bond issues which will allow the County of Oklahoma County, through the Board of County Commissioners, to do the following: Proposition I—issue bonds in the amount of 55 Million Dollars to purchase the GM facility and allow Tinker Air Force Base to lease the facility from the county with potential of transferring the property to the Air Force at some future time. Proposition II—issue bonds in the amount of 10.5 Million Dollars to provide necessary funds to renovate the plumbing, air conditioning, heating and other structural necessities in the Oklahoma County Courthouse. Proposition III—issue bonds in the amount of 5.75 Million Dollars to provide necessary storage space to retain and protect official records and documents which must be kept secure and protected in a facility large enough to kept current records and improve file access to such records. Proposition IV—issue bonds in the amount of 7.250 Million Dollars for the construction of a new facility for the Oklahoma County OSU Cooperative Extension Service in order to provide sufficient space for the numerous county programs offered through 4-H, Master Gardeners, Nutrition education, and other home, family and community education programs. Proposition V—issue bonds in the amount of 6 Million Dollars to alleviate flooding problems in the Northwestern and Central areas of Oklahoma County, which would also provide for flood control, wildfire prevention and other disaster relief projects throughout the County, with the ability to have the funds of this bond issue matched with federal monies to be applied to provide natural hazard and disaster mitigation, roads, bridges and drainage facilities in these specified areas in Oklahoma County.”

1. Tinker Air Force Base ($55M)
2. County Courthouse Renovation ($10.5M)
3. County Record Retention ($5.75M)
4. County Cooperative Extension Service ($7.25M)
5. Natural Hazard Mitigation and Flood Relief ($6M)

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To make things easier, here is what I found on MarkShannon.com Home Page. It is up to you how you vote.


Tinker Head Says "NO" Again!!!!

Retired Lt. Gen. Richard Burpee "You're asking taxpayers to increase their taxes for 15 years to support something that is not required," Burpee said. (Newsok.com)

What else does a reasonable person have to hear than the words of the former Tinker base commander who led the facility successfully through the BRAC CLOSINGS?!

VOTE NO on Tuesday against the increases in your property taxes to do things that are not needed, and if you've read the ballot, MIGHT NEVER get done even if they get the money.

The ballot states that the money DOES NOT HAVE TO BE USED FOR PURCHASING GM. It can be used anyway they want to use it.

Where are the 16 mayors of Oklahoma County? If they really thought Tinker's future depended on it they would all be supporting, AND YET ALL BUT ONE REMAIN SILENT.

Mid-Del schools lose needed school taxes which will be lost if GM goes to TINKER. There's another tax increase that will be coming if you don't vote NO on Tuesday.

What this is about is a FAILED OKC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE who has done nothing to help economic development as far as bringing jobs to this city, and their failed leadership.

The same CHAMBER that is trying to make it easy for illegal aliens to stay in Oklahoma, driving down salaries and costing taxpayers millions to pay for their free medical care, including PRE-NATAL CARE for their children.

IF VOTERS WERE PAYING ATTENTION they would be MAD AS HELL and vote NO tomorrow and put an end to this tax grab.

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Although I am an outsider and have no stake at all in this, I don't see how the County buying the GM building can be a good deal for Oklahoma City. If the Air Force needs it then they can lease it from GM. Why does Oklahoma County have to be involved at all? I suspect it is because the County plans to negotiate a lease way below market value or Tinker doesn't want the space at all and the money will be used else ware. If GM wants to get rid of the plant that bad then they should sell it to someone that can actually use it for its designed purpose, car manufacturing.

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Why can't the Air Force just lease it from GM directly? Why does Oklahoma County need to be involved at all?

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Probably because someone or a group of people will make a ton of money off this deal. In the past this has happened a lot in OKC. Seems like all of the tax payers are funding a few peoples money machines...

They best example is the Gaylord's buying up a bunch of land in northing OKC...and the next thing you know there is a plan to build a new turnpike in north OKC...

and guess what...it was going to be built over Gaylord's land!...

Wow what great luck!

icemncmth, who do you propose is making money off this Tinker deal? It's owned by GM so GM is the winner here, especially since we help fund improvements to their property when they were here.

dupe thread

In case anyone is wondering how much this will raise property taxes you can go to the following chart. It gives examples for each proposition as well as total.

T.A.C. 2008 - Tinker Aerospace Complex

Basically for the ones saying they are voting NO to Tinker and YES to the other issues, it will raise property taxes about $5 for every $100,000 your house is worth.

wow. it takes talent to turn a bond issue for the air force and into a racial issue. bravo mr. shannon, bravo.

not talent ... one track mind maybe, but not talent.

I don't see anything racist in his statement. Illegal immigrants don't necessarily have to be of a certain ethnicity or race. The problem with illegal immigration is the whole 'illegal' thing; I think that's the problem most Americans have with illegal immigrants.

Then again, it's the 'in-thing' to turn every issue into a racial subject.

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Hum. So the ads say if the measure passes it WILL save Tinker from BRAC. It WILL create thousands of jobs. It WILL WILL WILL. Does this mean when those things don't happen, Oklahoma County residents can use to get their money back for being falsely informed? :-P

I am afraid of BRAC nailing Tinker and OKC getting caught holding the bag on the GM thing.

Once again though...we have to pay for the facility, which may create the jobs, which will be paid for by us, as they are government jobs....I don't really see how we benefit here.

Andrew Rice is doing robocalls...LOL!!!

GM bailed on us, I do not see any reason why we should help GM.

I voted NO because I am tired of the Government taking my money. A basketball team, bail out GM under the guise of helping
Tinker. I can only imagine what is next? A tax to provide stretch limos for every state, county and city official. A fast food tax to help the schools throw more money away on indoor practice facilities and mall style food courts for schools.

Even if this were a good idea...I don't think its a good time to bring it up...who wants to vote a tax raise now?

Andrew Rice!

Perhaps you should have found the thread with the SAME subject matter and commented on it instead of making a duplicated thread.

// On another subject, you all need to read the OK Gazettes article on this. It tells why the AF can't go in a buy it, and then you have the base nazi from the late 80's talking about how it's not good for tinker. It's the same guy who doesn't want the shoppes in Del City to go through either.

...at it again, I see.

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