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Old 05-11-2008, 12:38 AM
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Sycamore Square, while it is in downtown, is just plain nasty looking in my opinion, although I'm sure it'd be okay to live in.
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Old 05-11-2008, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: Will downtown ever have affordable housing for sale?

I went to a presentation about a year ago where someone from Downtown OKC spoke. I asked this very question. He said they have to build the higher end homes, then build the moderate end ones as sort of a mixed development. I'm hoping they start developing some condos for moderate, single-income professionals. I'd love to live down there, but right now I just can't afford it.
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Old 05-11-2008, 11:48 AM
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I use to work on large equipment ..including elevators...and the lack of use isn't a good thing..

I grew up in the DC area and urban living has been in that area for a while...A lot of the older places that do have elevators don't sell as well because most aren't working. As for the 500 bucks a year..that will last only as long as they are working. Once the elevators start having problems the price will go up. It isn't like calling a plumber to come out and fix a leak. My point to my friend was to look down the road a few years...Upkeep can become a big issue and just look around OKC...

Another thing about urban living is pollution...This will take a greater toll on the housing than living in the rural. The one thing that made me laugh was that some of the brownstones have outside decks....They are nice right now but if the downtown are becomes the place to live and play the traffic will increase and so will the smog...If you go to Alexandria VA and and visit the Town homes that have been their a long time the ones that really sell are the one's with a small back yard. Urban living with a little green. I have friends that live in places somewhat like the brownstones and some of them have upper outside decks..and they hardly get used.

I think they are a great idea and living in them would be fun..but to plop down a million bucks is a big gamble..Downtown is growing but will downtown explode? Will stores pop up all over the place..? Heck there isn't enough parking now. Just think how fun it will be if we all move downtown...

I hope they work but I would be willing to bet that most of the people working at Devon can't afford million dollar house.
I don't think pollution is anymore an issue with the brownstones than any of the other townhouses downtown, and it is an issue with any urban living, OKC less than some other cities like Denver, LA. You may be right about the elevators, but there are other issues that are not a concern because of the way they're built. Slate roofs are less maintenance than wood or composition, all brick has no painting issuess, utility costs will be significantly lower and I've spent enough money in cutting down trees from the ice storm and wind storms the last two years to pay for a couple of elevators. Were it me, I'd just tuck some of the money I'd be saving on lawn care and tree maintenance away to pay for any elevator problems down the line.

The most expensive of the townhouses downtown are not a million dollars, and for their size and the types of materials used, they're cheaper than what you can buy in the pricier parts of town. The Maywood brownstones start in the high 500's for the smaller ones.

Of course it's a bit of a gamble, but personally, since I'm thinking about a fairly permanent residence, I'd rather they not appreciate significantly. Appreciation is only good if you plan on selling. If not, your insurance and property taxes keep going up, and yet you're living in the same house. So, if they don't appreciate signficantlly, it's fine with me.
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Old 05-11-2008, 02:08 PM
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Default Re: Will downtown ever have affordable housing for sale?

The brownstones are now priced in the near replacement cost range which means there is not much premium for location. The TIF probably neutralized the infrastructure premium cost. The development is purposely designed to accommodate slow growth and it is also designed to be a community.

At the size and price of the brownstones there is already a limited potential buyer universe in the first place.

If someone wants the location and quality of the brownstones there is not much competition.

As for price competition, both now and future, these units are not opposed to suburban markets. The risk it seems to me is more towards whether or not the downtown city will continue to develop. If one believes so then there is not much risk and probably a significant upside in appreciation.

On the other hand if one believes the city core development will stall or even end then neither the brownstones nor any other core properties are attractive investments.
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Old 05-25-2008, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: Will downtown ever have affordable housing for sale?

Just wanted to provide some more information, particularly about Sycamore Square.

Several people have really slammed it on this thread but the prices in the north complex (the south buildings are all apartments) have gone up about 50% in just the last few years.

The unit that was referenced in this thread was under contract in just a few weeks.

I was told by the realtor that the homeowners association there have some pretty big plans to get the exterior in shape, add landscaping etc. From the photos she sent me, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that complex. People might not like the "suburban feel" but it's similar to the Legacy right next door and you can own instead of rent. And seems like the Legacy is doing pretty well.

The fact is, you can still buy a 1,400 square foot unit in that complex for about $100K and IMO that represents a great option for those that want a decent amount of space and don't have a lot of money to spend.

Watch and see: those places are going to continue to appreciate because they are reasonable priced and well-located.

If I was a younger people looking to get a toe-hold in downtown and wanted to own my place, I would be keeping a sharp eye out for anything that comes up for sale there.
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