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    Quote Originally Posted by jonno View Post
    It looks like they have started the canal extension under I-40. You need to lower the water level so it doesn't flood your work site.
    Since the canal extension is not connected to the river how could the work site get flooded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljbab728 View Post
    Since the canal extension is not connected to the river how could the work site get flooded?
    Well, its not a canal extension. Its a river extension under I-40 to bring it closer to the canal.

    I thought they would set up a cofferdam though and wouldn't have to drain the river this earlier in construction.

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    The canal is not being extended. The river is being extended to the canal. The inlet, where the boats that cruise the river dock, is being extended under the interstate to within a few feet of where the canal terminates.

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    You're correct. That does make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jn1780 View Post
    Well, its not a canal extension. Its a river extension under I-40 to bring it closer to the canal.

    I thought they would set up a cofferdam though and wouldn't have to drain the river this earlier in construction.
    It is much cheaper not to do a dam (I think the estimate for a dam would have been a 1/3rd of the budget of the extension) and they would rather it be down in this part of the year because this is the part of the year it is least it is used.

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    It is much cheaper not to do a dam (I think the estimate for a dam would have been a 1/3rd of the budget of the extension) and they would rather it be down in this part of the year because this is the part of the year it is least it is used.
    Yeah, I can see that. Plus, I just saw a news article saying their putting in a sewer line under the river so it was going to have to be lowered anyway.

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    My question is where in the world will they get water to refill the river?? If Overholser is extremely low AND Hefner is low AND Canton Lake (were all of the water originates) is low - where will the replacement water come from??? Might have been wiser to hold off on such improvements until adequate water is available...yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucktalk View Post
    My question is where in the world will they get water to refill the river?? If Overholser is extremely low AND Hefner is low AND Canton Lake (were all of the water originates) is low - where will the replacement water come from??? Might have been wiser to hold off on such improvements until adequate water is available...yes?
    The river fills up fast when it actually does rain since excess stormwater drains into into. Should get a little bit of rain in the spring when their ready to fill it back up. (Knock on wood). lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucktalk View Post
    My question is where in the world will they get water to refill the river?? If Overholser is extremely low AND Hefner is low AND Canton Lake (were all of the water originates) is low - where will the replacement water come from??? Might have been wiser to hold off on such improvements until adequate water is available...yes?
    A couple things to keep in mind. The drought was worse along the entire rough of the North Canadian to here than it was here, and we get more that twice the rain most of the route when none are in a drought. I do not know what percentage comes from city storm water drains and creeks west of the city, but I can certainly confirm that enough volume comes that it has the energy to transport a lots of debris with it when the city does get more than a light rain. While a couple times water has been released into the river basin, the vast majority of the time if any water was flowing from the North Canadian they impounded as much as possible in Hefner or Overholser. The entire volume of water contained in the river is less than the volume of a foot of water at Hefner or Overholser. Hefner and Overholser would still be in roughly the same condition if the river dams did not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    A couple things to keep in mind. The drought was worse along the entire rough of the North Canadian to here than it was here, and we get more that twice the rain most of the route when neither are in a drought. I do not know what percentage comes from city storm water drains and creeks west of the city, but I can certainly confirm that enough volume comes that it has the energy to transport a lots of debris with it when the city does get rain. While a couple times water has been released into the river basin, the vast majority of the time if any water was flowing from the North Canadian they impounded as much as possible in Hefner or Overholser. The entire volume of water contained in the river is less than the volume of a foot of water at Hefner or Overholser. Hefner and Overholser would still be in roughly the same condition if the river dams did not exist.
    What is this thing called "Rain" that everyone is talking about?

    Seriously,we have been in a serious drought for about 7 years now. How long can this last? Is this a result of global warming or just a bump in the road? Someone surely knows....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    A couple things to keep in mind. The drought was worse along the entire rough of the North Canadian to here than it was here, and we get more that twice the rain most of the route when neither are in a drought. I do not know what percentage comes from city storm water drains, but I can certainly confirm that enough volume comes that it has the energy to transport a lots of debris with it when the city does get rain. While a couple times water has been released in to the river basin, the vast majority of the time if any water was flowing from the North Canadian they impounded as much as possible in Hefner or Overholser. The entire volume of water contained in the river is less than the volume of a foot of water at Hefner or Overholser. Hefner and Overholser would still be in roughly the same condition if the river dams did not exist.
    I think they only release water at Overholser when they want to fill the river up faster. If you follower the path of the North Canadian river. North of Overholser by 39th street is where it branches off into Overholser and Hefner. From there it goes into its own little canal right beside the lake so that they can maintain a natural river current. That natural river current is what keeps the river Oklahoma filled up .

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    We need another 30 straight days of rain like we had 4 or 5 years ago. That would help out our aquifers as well.

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    Nothing to worry about, everytime a soul in Yukon flushes their toilet, it gets passed on down the River to OKC...................

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    I heard a rumor today that there may be plans for an amphitheater on the south side of the river just east of Western. Has anyone else heard of this? From what I heard, the guy that ran the Zoo Amp lost the contract and is looking to build his own venue. My source has seen the plans and said they include retail spaces as well. This could be one of those things that never see the light of day because of the lack of funding, but if it came to pass that would be an awesome addition to the river front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catcherinthewry View Post
    I heard a rumor today that there may be plans for an amphitheater on the south side of the river just east of Western. Has anyone else heard of this? From what I heard, the guy that ran the Zoo Amp lost the contract and is looking to build his own venue. My source has seen the plans and said they include retail spaces as well. This could be one of those things that never see the light of day because of the lack of funding, but if it came to pass that would be an awesome addition to the river front.
    I've read this before, but it was very preliminary at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catcherinthewry View Post
    I heard a rumor today that there may be plans for an amphitheater on the south side of the river just east of Western. Has anyone else heard of this? From what I heard, the guy that ran the Zoo Amp lost the contract and is looking to build his own venue. My source has seen the plans and said they include retail spaces as well. This could be one of those things that never see the light of day because of the lack of funding, but if it came to pass that would be an awesome addition to the river front.
    At one point they had an outdoor amphitheater near the river in the Core 2 Shore plans but it was not in the more recent versions I saw.

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    The amphitheater in question can be seen here on the south bank of the river.

    http://www.okc.gov/planning/coretosh...devconcept.jpg

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    Ah, the one I remembered was on the north bank east of the railroad north/south line

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    Very intriguing idea. Run well it could be a great venue...

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    so the amphitheater is the southern terminus of the Harvey spine? is that a pedestrian bridge leading to it over the river or something that's already there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw View Post
    so the amphitheater is the southern terminus of the Harvey spine? is that a pedestrian bridge leading to it over the river or something that's already there?
    It is a pedestrian bridge

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    Ah, the one I remembered was on the north bank east of the railroad north/south line
    Like where Pull-A-Part currently is?

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    It is a pedestrian bridge
    I have mentioned before that I think this pedestrian bridge over the river should be fashioned like the Flycatcher Bridge over I-40. It would be a nice tie in for the whole of Harvey Spine.
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    Like where Pull-A-Part currently is?
    Yea but it was long enough ago they were depicting most of what is now boathouse row and the whitewater center as a low rise neighborhood at the time.

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    Would it have been on the old White Pages phonebook?
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    The guys that were running the zoo zmpetheatre are building their own. It is seperate than what the city is planning. much larger capacity.

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