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    The last 10 posts....classic. Law with the run around and ljbab with the 'shut yo mouth' routine!
    I have never asked Law to shut up. I just requested that accurate comments be used to support points of view.

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    I was by Draper on Wednesday, simply because I hadn't slipped by there in a while. Like many bodies of water in Oklahoma, Draper it looked like it still could use a few donated jugs rather than send some on to others.
    the pipe from the southeast is "full-on" bringing water to draper" but it will still take a while for it to refill

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    I suspect he is storing up wampum to make sure that neither he nor his precious lawn get scalped.
    BTW: It's xeriscaping, not zero scaping. Perhaps if you would share the address of your pet lawn a "piss-in" could be organized to help keep it green. =)
    I merely do what everyone (well the good neighbors) in my neighborhood do. Water frequently, take good care of our lawns, etc. I'm not into "xeriscaping" or manscaping or any of that hippy bullcrap. I have a nice green yard and it isn't even near being threatened. Elsewhere in the U.S., there are serious concerns over water use and water allocation. OKC isn't one of those places.

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    I do not know much about fish in general. In my limited understanding, fish either need water to live in, or to be steamed in, or at a minimum to somewhat help hold the egg mixture so they can be breaded and fried.

    So, if the live in part is in question due to evaporation, draw down, etc., what prospects exist to harvest the fish for eating (I'm assuming they aren't really pet material, but hey, if that's wrong, let's add pet pools to the mix.)

    Seems a shame for the fish to go to waste instead of waist if it can be avoided, or to lil billy and susie Q's tanks if they are the cute variety in some manner.
    ha ha, stupid dead fish. The important thing is the location shots during the NBA finals will look pretty. Big League city, don't mess with the momentum. Exceptional drought, several years running, e`eh, we've got water to spray on the streets in August.

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    Ok, I was sillier than necessary, but I am curious. The water drawn can't be sent back upstream. For fish purposes, it's gone. A regular refrain here is not nearly enough water will be likely to fall to avoid a fish massacre this year. So, what other options, if any, exist to harvest the fish rather than accept a die off. Lake can be restocked at at a later date. Harvesting would seem to be the next step, unless there is no viable way to harvest.

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    The best fishing was always with a boat. The Corps will not allow boats of any kind on the lake, it's too shallow. Fishing is OK from the banks as long as you comply with OK Dept of Wildlife regulations.

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    I get that, though that seems to address recreational aspects more than a significant harvesting option to remove the majority of the fish prior to any massive die-off. Perhaps there isn't a viable method. Again, I know little of fishing and I am only speculating, but I would think recreational limits and approaches couldn't begin to resolve the situation, and would actually work against a major harvesting process.

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    Boat fishing is usually the most successful fishing. There's no way to do harvesting style fishing here, physically or legally. The fishermen are fishing as fas as they can, and we're still hoping the drought will break, and there will be enough water to save the fish.

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    Boat fishing is usually the most successful fishing. There's no way to do harvesting style fishing here, physically or legally. The fishermen are fishing as fas as they can, and we're still hoping the drought will break, and there will be enough water to save the fish.

    So I assume Canton got another good drenching last night/today with the storms. I haven't checked how much we have received in OKC yet but it's a good drenching and still raining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinpate View Post
    I get that, though that seems to address recreational aspects more than a significant harvesting option to remove the majority of the fish prior to any massive die-off.
    Perhaps fishing with dynamite would be in order?

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    52105 on 12/25
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    +6000 Acrefeet since the lowest point of the draw down. ~20% restored.

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    +6000 Acrefeet since the lowest point of the draw down. ~20% restored.
    Well that doesn't look so bad. I hope it fills up so next time we need a draw there will be plenty for everyone.

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    So I assume Canton got another good drenching last night/today with the storms. I haven't checked how much we have received in OKC yet but it's a good drenching and still raining.
    While it would have gotten a little, unfortunately where the rain started really coming down was just past the catchment area of Canton

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    Not alot in Canton, less west/north. More farmer water. Comes down slow or remains in one place, melts slow. Not much run off.

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    I wish Ashley Edwards could spell xeriscaping correctly.

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    Plenty of alternatives are available like drought-resistant plants or even a man-made option, synthetic grass, like that from a company based right here in Oklahoma, Always Greener
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    I read on facebook where someone saw water being released from Lake Overholser this last week and from the gauge levels it looks like that might be true. Why is that? Filling up the Oklahoma River for boating activities like they said they wouldn't do? Is Hefner full? The drought is over? Are we still on watering restrictions?

    USGS Current Conditions for USGS 07241000 North Canadian River blw Lk Overholser nr OKC, OK

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    I read on facebook where someone saw water being released from Lake Overholser this last week and from the gauge levels it looks like that might be true. Why is that? Filling up the Oklahoma River for boating activities like they said they wouldn't do? Is Hefner full? The drought is over? Are we still on watering restrictions?

    USGS Current Conditions for USGS 07241000 North Canadian River blw Lk Overholser nr OKC, OK
    LOL, the Oklahoma River doesn't need any release from Lake Overholser to be full. It stayed bascially full all during last summer's worst drought period. It's been mentioned here before that it really only takes a relatively small amount of water for the river.

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    LOL, the Oklahoma River doesn't need any release from Lake Overholser to be full. It stayed bascially full all during last summer's worst drought period. It's been mentioned here before that it really only takes a relatively small amount of water for the river.
    The last time I looked at it, the south end was completely dry. I think they were working on the lock. And a couple of boats where laying on their sides further upstream on the south docks. That was before the rain. So my question again, and especially if the Oklahoma River was full and not impounding water, did we release water and why? Are all of Hefner, Overholser and the Oklahoma River chock full? Did we flow water from Overholser, through the Oklahoma River and on downstream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkjeeves View Post
    I read on facebook where someone saw water being released from Lake Overholser this last week and from the gauge levels it looks like that might be true. Why is that? Filling up the Oklahoma River for boating activities like they said they wouldn't do? Is Hefner full? The drought is over? Are we still on watering restrictions?

    USGS Current Conditions for USGS 07241000 North Canadian River blw Lk Overholser nr OKC, OK
    It might have been letting some of the junk that accumulates in the dry parts of the river that gets washed downstream when a lot of water comes along pass through river channel next to the lake, rather that let it either settle in the lake or pile up at the dam, they do that when they do they do a release from canton. Alternatively it might be getting time that they were legally required to let some flow downstream, there are some limits on how long after you capture water before you need to release some to meet contractual agreements.

    I doubt Hefner is full or the drought is over. Last I heard we are still doing rationing but have not seen anything new on that in the last couple weeks.

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    The last time I looked at it, the south end was completely dry. I think they were working on the lock.
    They drained it on purpose while they were working on the inlet area near the boathouses to make a quasi connection to the canal. They don't need a release from the lake to fill it back up. The amount of water it takes can easily be attained with normal drainage. I don't know if water was released and, if so, why. I'm not, however, going to make unfounded assumptions. I also would want more evidence than someone's facebook post.

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    I doubt Hefner is full or the drought is over. Last I heard we are still doing rationing but have not seen anything new on that in the last couple weeks.
    The last I heard was that the drought was officially over in parts of SE Oklahoma and the OKC area was classified as "exceptionally dry" as opposed to being in a drought.

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    The last time I looked at it, the south end was completely dry. I think they were working on the lock. And a couple of boats where laying on their sides further upstream on the south docks. That was before the rain. So my question again, and especially if the Oklahoma River was full and not impounding water, did we release water and why? Are all of Hefner, Overholser and the Oklahoma River chock full? Did we flow water from Overholser, through the Oklahoma River and on downstream?
    The work on the lock was just being done since the basin was drained for work connecting the river to bricktown and I think putting in a new major sewer line; a couple other projects took advantage of it being down as well. Both the city and the Army Corp of Engineers were adamant no water would be released just for the river. The city already planned a way to use some water from the west basin of the river if these last storms did not materialize, the amount of rain we got in the catchment area that only flows to the river makes it unlikely we would have had much room to keep any other in the river.

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    The last I heard was that the drought was officially over in parts of SE Oklahoma and the OKC area was classified as "exceptionally dry" as opposed to being in a drought.
    In the span of what has generally been referred to as one drought that has lasted over the last couple years we have been in and out of several levels from normal to extreme drought. Plus though the ground may now not be as dry, the vegetation and animal population will not recover so quickly, which would help against relapsing.

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