Thread: Life coming to upper floors in Bricktown

Parking: OKC's most detrimental non-existent problem.

I just wonder what downtown and bricktown would be like if it actually had all of this additional parking these people seem to think it needs to make it viable. I mean, I eat down there at least twice a week on average and go out in bricktown and to games about 3-4 times a month and NEVER pay for parking. I just can't even wrap my head around there being more parking in a city center...

I mean, most places you go to you're going to park twice as far, if at all, and pay twice as much. Even where there is public transit, you often have to walk farther than it would take you to walk across our entire downtown area. I read stuff like this and the corresponding comments and I sometimes wonder if these people are from Mars. I try and understand. I just can't.

It's a cultural thing. People think that they should be able to park right in front of where they're going. They want all the cool parts of urban density without having any density. And to those people I say- feel free to stay out in Yukon.

Originally Posted by OKCMallen

It's a cultural thing. People think that they should be able to park right in front of where they're going.

No, it's a laziness thing.

It's a cultural thing.

No doubt. But we're not talking about that much space really. Do we really not have enough people in Oklahoma City that value the experience of living or working in an area with dozens of nearby services and amenities to choose from more than making sure they don't walk 300 feet more every day? How do we even know that the entire culture is against this when developers haven't really given people in Oklahoma City a choice? It seems to me that it is a constant scapegoat for developers to justify leaving this stuff vacant.

The reality is that we really don't know how many Oklahomans might choose a real urban setting to live and work in because they don't have much choice. The fact that we can get it at all given the lack of amenities downtown should indicate to at least some of these developers and tennants that there would be even more demand if the area actually offered a complete urban option, where not having immediate parking every second of the day is more than made up for by the amount of services offered within walking distance.

It could certainly be that working in an office park surrounded by a large moat of black top, parking half a dozen times instead of once to run errands, and putting as much space between each other is simply the culture of Oklahoma, but I just can't wrap my head around the idea that a metro area of 1.2 million can't support at least one vibrant, fully occupied, and fully serviced urban district.

The thing is that the parking problem will not be solved by adding more parking as much as it will be solved by making the area more desirable than front door parking. You really have to make it so that the choice is 1) working in a wasteland with no walkable services, but front door parking or 2) working in a vibrant community where, after you park once for the day, you never need your car again. So, really, the way to get over the parking problem, imo, is to fully develop the area to maximize its density potential and mitigate any parking concerns by offering an experience unavailable anywhere else in the city.

The area can not compete by simply converting to the sprawl model that guides development across the rest of the city. It needs to find a way to actually deliver what it promises and it will never do that until it gets over the parking obsession. Anyone who is even considering moving to the area obviously does not put the same priority on front door parking as someone who finds it better to build a campus on memorial or nichols hills. They want more, yet, ironically, it's this obsessive over emphasis on parking that is keeping our city from offering it to them.

Hear, hear.

Talk about being "Clueless in Bricktown"

Lets just hope this is more than a hope, and life actually comes to the upper floors. I'll believe it when I see it.

Originally Posted by southernskye

No, it's a laziness thing.

You are so contrary sometimes. We're saying the same thing.

Originally Posted by BDP

The thing is that the parking problem will not be solved by adding more parking as much as it will be solved by making the area more desirable than front door parking.

I totally agree with this statement, both from a retail and from a living standpoint. About once a year I consider moving down there and look into it a bit, and decide against it. I want to live in "Manhattan," not "the Bronx." There is a serious lack of unique and livable amenities down there. It does get better every year though, which is encouraging. Unfortunately it has been moving at a slow trickle for more than a decade now.

^^ Dismayed, I agree with you and about once a year I too consider moving downtown and I decide against it. Eventually I think I will, but the snail pace at the development is what bothers me.

Makes you wonder how many people are in the same situation?

I think if enough of the fence riders took the plunge, it would help speed up development downtown and make it more attractive for the potential businesses also riding the fence. If there were enough residents, they wouldn't have to hesitate if they had the money to jump in the market.

Agreed and I do feel the same way, but I will wait until there are a few more that take the plunge.

The title of this thread almost had me convinced that Life church was franchising above Spaghetti Warehouse! Haha

Definitely something that Bricktown doesn't have, a church, great idea. Give it time and I could see "Life church on the Bricktown Canal".

Originally Posted by okclee

Definitely something that Bricktown doesn't have, a church, great idea. Give it time and I could see "Life church on the Bricktown Canal".

Already done, the church used to have a branch called Oasis in the club on Sundays next to the now defunct Lit.

Originally Posted by metro

Already done, the church used to have a branch called Oasis in the club on Sundays next to the now defunct Lit.

I believe Oasis still meets there.

maybe, i dunno, haven't gone to a service at that location in years.

Originally Posted by okclee

Definitely something that Bricktown doesn't have, a church, great idea. Give it time and I could see "Life church on the Bricktown Canal".

Only if you can move one of the churches down there from my neighborhood.
OKC already has way too many churches.

Originally Posted by southernskye

Only if you can move one of the churches down there from my neighborhood.
OKC already has way too many churches.

Although this statement sounds evil, I agree completely. Driving around the other day, I thought "Damn, there sure are a lot of churches around here." I would like to see more people giving 10% of there income to a taxable venture.

Steve has some nice photos of the upper floors of the Mideke Supply Building being lit up at night ... see Fun New View of the Mideke Supply Building ... and a story to go along with them.

Doug, I asked this on Steve's blog and haven't gotten an answer yet, but hopefully someone can help me. Are the upper floors going to be office, residential or both?

I have no clue, Warreng88. Sorry.

I've answered... on blog

Posting it here right after I posted there. Thanks for the answer Steve.