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    Quote Originally Posted by fromdust View Post
    VALERO. go to any valero, they do NOT use a mix. i pretty sure conoco is the same.
    Some of them sell both. The one right by my house does anyway.

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    saw this on the pump at the Murray station at the walmart on the mile of cars in norman...thought it was funny

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    I hate Ethanol 1,000 times over. It's absolutely horrible. I used to get 22-24mpg and today I did the math on my nearly-empty tank and the number was no 19mpg. In essence, I've been losing 50 miles a tank using the cheaper gas, all to save like $2.00 a fillup. I'd save a few bucks more using the pricier stuff. I believe I'll be switching to the non-alcohol gas.

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    Here's a list I came across of Metro Oklahoma City stores who sell gasoline without ethanol/alcohol:

    September 4, 2008
    Metro area NO Alcohol/Ethanol stations.
    This list is subject to change at any time. Look for the No Alcohol stickers and banners to be sure you’re purchasing 100% pure gasoline.

    GUTHRIE

    K&L Food Mart ¼ W. of I-35 S. side
    Prime Foods @ Pine and Noble
    Valero @ Pine and Noble
    Mini Mart @ Hwy 77 and Sooner
    Conoco @ 1612 S. Division
    Petty’s Shell @ 1416 S. Division
    G Mart Shamrock @ 8th and W. Noble
    Shell Food Mart @ 9th and W. Noble
    Rainbow Foods west of town on Noble

    EDMOND

    Conoco @ Waterloo and Broadway
    Fina @ Waterloo and Coltrane
    Phillips @ Waterloo and Coltrane
    Conoco @ Waterloo and Sooner
    E-Express @ Danforth and Blvd
    Valero @ 2nd and Kelly
    Sinclair @ 5th and Kelly
    Shell @ 15th and Santa Fe
    Finish Line @ 15th and Blvd.
    Valero @ Bryant and Memorial
    Conoco @ Bryant and Memorial

    ARCADIA
    Pops on Hwy 66 west of town

    OKLAHOMA CITY
    North West

    Shell @ 178th and Portland
    Okie Express @ 178th and N. May
    Conoco at Memorial and Western
    Valero @ N. 122nd and Western
    Western Food Mart @ Hefner and Western
    Okie Foods south of Hefner on Western
    Shell @ Britton and Waverly
    Ok Food Market @ 81st and N. Western
    Diamond Shamrock at Wilshire and Broadway
    Valero @ 63rd and N. Kelley
    Conoco @ 63rd and N. Kelley
    E-Express @ I-44 and N. Penn
    QC Grocery @ 44th and N. Western
    Phillips @ 33rd and N. Penn
    T & B @ 32nd and N. Western
    23rd Food Mart @ 23rd and N. Blackwelder
    Valero @ NW Expressway and Wilshire
    Express Grocery on Wilshire west of NW Expressway
    Shamrock on Lyrewood between Wilshire and 63rd
    D-Mart @ 50th and N. Meridian
    Goodies @ 63rd and N. Meridian
    Shell @ 50th and N. May
    Shamrock @ 50th and N. Portland
    TBG @ 39th and Ann Arbor
    Circle R @ 39th and N. Rockwell
    Portland Express @ 36th and N. Portland
    Speedy Lube @ 28th and N. Portland
    Bethany Food Mart @ 23rd and College
    Council Foods @ 23rd and Council
    Convenience J @ 23rd and Ann Arbor
    Conoco East of I-44 on 23rd
    23rd Food Mart @ 23rd and Blackwelder
    7 days @ 23rd and N. Walker
    L & S @ 18th and N. Portland
    Shell @ 16th and Portland
    Shell @ 10th and Portland
    Beavers west of Portland on 10th
    CM Foods East of MacArthur on 10th
    Shamrock @ 10th and N. MacArthur
    Shamrock @ 10th and Council
    T & T west of 10th and Council
    Payless @ 8th and Council
    Jim's Express @ Melrose and Rockwell
    Sinclair @ Council and I-40
    Stop & Save @ 20th and N. Rockwell
    T & B Outlet @ Melrose and Rockwell
    Speedmart @ 17th and N. May
    Conoco @ 16th and N. May
    Sinclair @ 10th and N. May
    Phillips @ 16th and Classen
    Discount Tobacco @ 10th and N. Western
    Sinclair @ 9th and Virginia
    Discount Tobacco @ Main and Penn
    Shamrock @ Main and Penn
    Valero @ Sheridan and Western

    OKC North East
    Diamond Shamrock @ NE 122nd and I-35
    Shell @ NE 122nd & I-35
    5 Star Truck Stop @ NE 122nd & I-35
    Save a Stop Conoco @ Hefner and I-35
    Shamrock @ Reno and MLK
    Corner Market @ 18th and MLK
    Handisak @ 27th and N. Kelley
    A1 @ 28TH and MLK
    Phillips 66 @ 36th and Kelley
    Happy Foods @ 36th and N. Kelley
    Kelly's Market @ 36th and N. Kelley
    H&H east of I-35 on NE 23rd
    M Mart east of I-35 on NE 23rd
    Andy's west of I-35 on NE 23rd
    Old Conoco @ 10th and Sooner
    Discount Cigarettes east of Sunnylane on Reno
    Lucky's @ 35th and Spencer Road
    Old Conoco @ 36th and N. Douglas
    G & D @ 36th and Hiawasse
    GI’s Market @ NE 10th and Post
    Shamrock east of Douglas on NE 23rd

    OKC South East
    Phillips @ I-40 and Scott St.
    Sinclair @ I-40 and Scott St.
    Family Mart @ Se 15th between Bryant and Sunnylane
    Sinclair @ SE 10th and S. Air Depot
    Shamrock @ SE 18th and Sunnylane
    AM PM @ SE 15th and Sooner
    Valero @ SE 15th and Douglas
    Conoco @ 3520 S. Douglas
    Valero @ 26th and Shields
    Planet Mart @ SE 25th and Central
    Valero @ SE 29th and Post
    Neighborhood foods @ SE 29th and Post
    Old Conoco @ SE 29th and I-40
    Take n Go @ Reno and Howard
    Phillips @ Reno and Sooner
    Conoco @ Sunnylane and I-40
    Conoco @ Reno and Woodcrest
    2 Go Shell @ Adair and Air Depot
    Timesaver @ Reno and Air Depot
    AM PM @ Reno and Midwest Blvd
    Shell @ Reno and Douglas
    Big Joe’s @ Reno and Post
    Tuti’s @ 7th and S. Post
    Good Times @ SE 44th and Sunnylane
    Jordan Mart on SE 44 east of Bryant
    Mikies Stop @ 44th and Santa Fe
    44 Food Mart on 44th between Shields and RR tracks
    Conoco @ 51st and I-35
    Super Mart @ 59th and Shields
    Q-Mart 66 @ 59th and Lindsey
    Valero @ 59th and I-35
    Phillips @ 59th and I-35
    The Corner Quick Stop on 59th in Valleybrook
    Speedy Food Mart on 59th in Valleybrook
    M Foods @ 59th and Eastern
    Sinclair @ 59th and Sunnylane
    Valero @ 89th and I-35
    Valero @ I-240 and Sunnylane

    OKC South West
    Phillips @ Reno and Villa
    Conoco @ Reno and Western
    Friendly foods @ Penn and Exchange
    Phillips @ 5th and S. Walker
    Shamrock @ Agnew and 14th
    Twin CC @ 15th and Agnew
    Express Grocery @ 15th and S. May
    Sinclair @ 13th and S. Meridian
    Portland food store @ 22th and S. Portland
    Conoco @ SW 29th and Meridian
    S & A west of Penn on SW 29th
    Shell @ 29th and S. Western
    Old Conoco @ 29th and Robinson
    Western food Mart @ 24th and S. Western
    Phillips @ 25th and S. Western
    Shamrock @ Agnew and 29th
    Corner Market @ Douglas and Grand
    Shell @ Penn and Grand
    29th Food Mart @ Portland and Newcastle Rd
    Speedmart #2 @ 43rd and S. Robinson
    Rancho @ 44th and Blackwelder
    44 Quick Mart @ 44th and S. Penn
    Shell @ 44th and S. Agnew
    Penn Quick Stop @ 48th and S. Penn
    KT's @ 48th and S. Walker
    T & J @ 59th and S. May
    Conoco @ 59th and Penn.
    59th Kwik stop @ 59th and Blackwelder
    Time Saver @ 59th and S. Walker
    Super Time Saver at 59th and Villa
    M&D west of Western on 59th
    Phillips @ 59th and S. Walker
    Valero @ I-240 and Shields
    Conoco @ I-240 and Penn
    Valero @ I-240 and May
    TK @ 74th and S. May
    OG's @ 89th and S. May
    89 Food Mart @ 89th and Shartel
    Valero @ I-44 and 89th
    Shell @ 104th and I-44
    Valero @ 104th and I-44
    Conoco @ 109th and S. Western

    NEWCASTLE
    Conoco on Hwy 62 (Main St.)
    Handy’s on Hwy 62 (Main St.)

    Blanchard
    Lion’s Gas & Go on Hwy 76 North
    Gator’s Phillips 66 on Hwy 62 East

    MOORE
    Moore Food Mart @ 12th and Broadway
    Sinclair @ 12th and Broadway
    Valero @ Main and Eastern
    TKS @ Main and Broadway
    Valero @ 4th and Telephone rd
    Jerry’s @ 4th and Telephone rd
    Fina Stop 4 blocks west of the Valero on 4th st.
    Old Texaco @ 4th and Broadway
    Broadway Foods @ 4th and Broadway
    Nhu shop @ 17th and telephone rd
    Shell @ 19th and Broadway

    NORMAN
    Norman Food Mart on Berry Rd South of Robinson
    Valero on Alameda between 36th and 48th
    Alameda Market 7500 E. Alameda

    CHOCTAW
    Country Boy @ SE 15th and Choctaw rd.
    Panek's Grocery @ NE 29th and Indian Meridian
    Speedy’s on NE 23rd
    Phillips 66 (Anderson Travel Plaza) @ I-40 and Choctaw rd.

    HARRAH
    Country Boy @ SE 29th and Harrah rd.

    Newalla
    Newalla Gas and Grill @ 18700 SE 59th

    PIEDMONT
    City Stop @ Monroe and Piedmont
    Jiffy Trip @ Monroe and Piedmont

    YUKON
    7 AM on old 66 east of downtown

    WHEATLAND
    Sinclair on old 152 and Council Rd

    MUSTANG
    Morgan Foods on 152 and Morgan rd.
    Mustang Foods (Cenex) ¼ W. of Sara rd. on 152
    Gas n Go Conoco on 152 and Cedar Branch
    Bronco’s Phillips 66 on 152 and Pine
    Victory Mart on 152 and Czech Hall rd.
    New Prime Foods on 152 and Hwy 4

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    Has it just been in the last couple of months or so that ethanol has come to be in our gas supplies? I never noticed anyone talking about it until this thread took up residence here. Now it seems like everyone is talking about it. I noticed my own car's gas mileage has dropped recently, and when I called a repair shop to ask about putting it on a diagnostic and the mechanic asked why, he launched into a diatribe about ethanol. Well, maybe not a diatribe, but certainly he thought that was a factor in my problem. (I assumed the ethanol had always been there...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsibelius View Post
    Has it just been in the last couple of months or so that ethanol has come to be in our gas supplies? I never noticed anyone talking about it until this thread took up residence here. Now it seems like everyone is talking about it. I noticed my own car's gas mileage has dropped recently, and when I called a repair shop to ask about putting it on a diagnostic and the mechanic asked why, he launched into a diatribe about ethanol. Well, maybe not a diatribe, but certainly he thought that was a factor in my problem. (I assumed the ethanol had always been there...)
    No....It's been in a lot of station's gas for years. They just made it a requirement to LABEL it so recently.

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    I haven't read through all the posts to see if this has been covered, but I'm a big fan of using STP Gas Treatment every once in a while, and a HUGE fan of their Total Fuel System Treatment product.

    My F-150 was running poorly a few years back, just because I only drove short trips. I always had all the proper maintenance done and such, but the engine was knocking and the power was poor. I used the fuel system treatment and it cleared right up. Now I try to use it twice a year. I really believe it's a good product.

    I'm also getting ready to try a bottle of Lucas Tune-Up in a Bottle, which bills itself as an upper cylinder lubricant and injector cleaner. A guy at an auto store told me a lot of people swear by that product.

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    Starting appearing in Oklahoma City for the first time since the early 80's in the Spring of 08. Tulsa got their first taste in the fall of 07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh GAWD the Smell! View Post
    No....It's been in a lot of station's gas for years. They just made it a requirement to LABEL it so recently.

    Not correct, Oklahoma City started getting ethanol blended in by some of the gas stations in February 08. Labeling was mandated July 1st by SB 1451.

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    The whole reason around ethanol being used was it burns cleaner. It wasn't about mileage. Plus its renewable.

    Most of my driving is city. I really don't see a big enough diff either way in my SUV. It sucks both ways. Around 14 w/ ethanol, 14.5-15 w/ straight gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh GAWD the Smell! View Post
    No....It's been in a lot of station's gas for years. They just made it a requirement to LABEL it so recently.
    Quote Originally Posted by JD1 View Post
    Not correct, Oklahoma City started getting ethanol blended in by some of the gas stations in February 08. Labeling was mandated July 1st by SB 1451.
    Looks like I'm going to have to take my question elsewhere for a definitive answer. But even if they weren't selling ethanol until February, my gas mileage problem didn't start until this summer, so it would seem ethanol is probably NOT the problem. Maybe I just need to find a mechanic who will actually listen to me (always a good idea in any case)...

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    jsibelius, Some stations started selling in Feb. 08. Most came on later. Easy do it yourself test, get really low on fuel and try a tank of 100%. I know my car gets 15% better fuel mileage on 100% gas. That=about 50 cents/gallon savings.

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    Jet skis both started acting up this weekend... everyone and I mean everyone was adamant that ethanol was to blame.. you would have thought it was arsenic.. seriously.

    I never heard so many different people swear that ethanol was sooo very bad for engines..

    Now, I'm worried I've screwed up my engine on my vehicle .. probably time to trade it in..lol I kid, I kid, but I do think I'm done with ethanol... only pure gasoline from here on out.
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    No offense, but I think people are way off in blaming a lot of their efficiency problems on ethanol.

    E100 is about 85% as efficient as pump gas, and today's E10 blend is still 90% gasoline. So any engineer will tell you that your efficiency loss is not going to be worse than 2-3%. If people think there is a problem with efficiency, they will find it. If you're getting poor mileage, replace your spark plugs and get a tune up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD1 View Post
    jsibelius, Some stations started selling in Feb. 08. Most came on later. Easy do it yourself test, get really low on fuel and try a tank of 100%. I know my car gets 15% better fuel mileage on 100% gas. That=about 50 cents/gallon savings.
    I did try this and didn't pick up on a big difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpecan View Post
    No offense, but I think people are way off in blaming a lot of their efficiency problems on ethanol.

    E100 is about 85% as efficient as pump gas, and today's E10 blend is still 90% gasoline. So any engineer will tell you that your efficiency loss is not going to be worse than 2-3%. If people think there is a problem with efficiency, they will find it. If you're getting poor mileage, replace your spark plugs and get a tune up.
    This is what I'm concerned about. I didn't want to blow off my problem as Ethanol if it was really something else like dirty fuel injectors or something else more serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsibelius View Post
    I did try this and didn't pick up on a big difference.



    This is what I'm concerned about. I didn't want to blow off my problem as Ethanol if it was really something else like dirty fuel injectors or something else more serious.
    By all means, try that STP product, I believe it's called Total Fuel System Treatment, available at WalMart for maybe 5 to 7 dollars, something like that. It's like chicken soup, it can't hurt.

    Put that stuff in, then get out on the highway for a few minutes and let your engine run at a nice brisk pace. This stuff blows the cobwebs right out. Don't fill up again until you are nearly empty, so the product will have the right dilution rate.

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    Ethanol has a 66% lower BTU value than gasoline. That being said, E-10 based on its BTU value should give you 3.4% less MPG. However; each and every vehicle since about 1987 uses oxygen sensors and an ECM to control the fuel mixture ratios. Ethanol is an oxygenate and most oxygen sensors read the exhaust with ethanol as lean; therefore, informing the ECM to richen the fuel mixture up. That's how you can loose more than 3 to 4 % when burning E-10. The most important part is Each and every vehicle is different and can perform differently on ethanol blended fuels. Most (general statement) on average will lose between 10 to 15% in fuel mileage on E-10. Test each and every vehicle yourself and find out what saves you money. (Not even mentioning increased maintenance costs by quicker replacement of fuel system components caused by ethanol's corrosive properties)

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    My job uses a fair amount of gasoline during daily operations. Two of our shuttle vans(I should mention the vans are 07 and 08 models) have had serious problems running on 87 ethanol.

    Our fleet mechanic suggested we switch to 89 premium unleaded. Since the change the problems have gone away. The octane level seems to off set the effects of the ethanol. At least for a little while anyway. Only time will tell how long the switch will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneforone View Post
    Our fleet mechanic suggested we switch to 89 premium unleaded. Since the change the problems have gone away. The octane level seems to off set the effects of the ethanol. At least for a little while anyway. Only time will tell how long the switch will work.
    Hmmm. This may explain why I've had no issues: I buy the 91-octane stuff, as specified by the manufacturer. (On the east coast I buy 93.)

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    The gas station at 2nd & Kelly is ethanol free.

    Also, the McDonald's at 15th & Santa Fe has a couple of pumps that are ethanol free.

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    I always like that store, Not (The Micky Dee's). They quit selling Super and Plus and have notes about which pumps have ethanol and which don't. Very confusing. Are they really sure?

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    I'm done with ethanol too. For my car, with complete comparsion of amount fill up and amount paid, the gas with ethanol lasts me one week while gas with no ethanol lasts me two weeks.

    I prefer paying $50 bux every 2 weeks for gas only instead of $30 each week with ethanol.

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    With all this talk of "pure" gasoline, I took the time to put a few dollars worth of the real stuff in on top of my crappy 7-11 gasoline. Maybe it's just the placebo effect, but I swear it ran smoother with a bit more power, and that was just putting in ten dollars worth on top of a half full tank. I think I'm going to start seeking out the real stuff from now on.

    And I still encourage everyone to make the trip to WalMart and buy some STP. It seems to work very well.

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    What is STP?

    Yes, my car is running smoother on "pure" gasoline.

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    After 4 fill-ups on pure gasoline, I too am a believer. The AM/PM on 15th and Sooner has the no-ethanol blend and the price is usually less than 5 cents higher than Shell's 10% ethanol blend.

    Well worth it - my miles per gallon improved by 5, city driving.
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