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Thank you Karried, I know
Yes this is an absolute and pathetic shame..........and such a senseless tragedy that was totally avoidably
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Hard to believe a labrador pup would do this but I am sure it just thought it was a toy. Only 6 weeks old! For heaven's sakes, a 6 week old puppy should not even have been taken from its mother yet. Or was the mother on the premises? Moreover, why would anyone get a newborn puppy at the same time as an infant? And three adults in the house? Surely there was some sort of noise going on! Pups take a lot of attention - leaving a non house broken puppy (and the baby) alone for long enough for this to take place is shocking. Horrible, horrible.
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Your welcome ...
Yes, it is so unreal how ignorant some people are. Leaving a baby and a puppy alone ( even though I can't believe a lab puppy would have any violence in him...I'm sure he was playing). I think the biggest issue here was no supervision and leaving a child unattended for any length of time. I have to stop thinking about this, it's too horrendous.
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You haven't even taken the time to consider the possibility of it not being an accident.
People murder their children all the time and this is an excellent way not to get caught, it would be so easy to pull this off. |
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I think I read that the baby was chewed up. But I agree with you - a six week old puppy is so uncoordinated that I can't imagine how it got hold of a baby in a swing. I have to believe the police examined the baby but part of me wonders if those teeth marks came from a bigger dog that is being hidden in someone's closet ... Surely not. I also read that the police had the puppy put down so presumably they believed it was the one that did it.
I just don't get it. |
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It is indeed a very tragic situation, but I have to agree with others that that this was - in the very least - a poor decision on the parents' part. This was NOT the dog's fault. I don't know euthanizing the dog was the right thing to do, other than the fact it made the parents feel better about things.
I can't seem to get a handle on exactly the age of the Lab. I've just found "puppy," in the news reports, but it seems I've seen that it was six weeks old, and also six months old. The other dog was apparently an adult pug. The only dog the Tulsa Police chose to euthanize was the lab puppy. I can see where a six month old lab would be big enough to do something like this. |
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They followed up with an article in the paper this morning. Apparently, it was a horrific death scene - poor thing. Here is a quote from the paper:
"Police continued to investigate Wednesday. Prosecutors ultimately will decide whether any charges will be filed. Police also are not releasing any details of Zane's injuries, citing the sensitive nature of the child's death. Officers said Zane's lifeless body was found by his mother Monday about 10:30 a.m. The child had been left in an infant swing in a dining room when the father and grandfather left for work about 8:30 a.m. The mother and grandmother apparently were asleep in bedrooms at the opposite end of the house." Good lord. A two month old child left in a swing on the opposite end of the house and the mother AND grandmother don't even check on it for a couple of hours? And they heard nothing???? I don't get it. A 2 month old can't even sit up!! Did it not occur to anyone that leaving him in a swing might be pretty uncomfortable (at best). He was TWO MONTHS OLD. GEEEZUS. And they killed the poor puppy. WHY? You cannot make me believe that a labrador puppy would deliberately harm anything. Why didn't they let someone adopt it and give it a home where it would be properly cared for? I sure hope there aren't any other children in that home. AND WHO SLEEPS UNTIL 10:30 IN THE MORNING WHEN THERE IS A NEWBORN IN THE HOUSE? I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they slept that late. If they were awake and not up and checking on the baby, it would be even worse. |
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So the mother had plenty of time and opportunity to kill the child.
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Toad, dear, you have been reading too many crime novels
. There was plenty of time for plain old 17 year old (mother's age) foolishness to kick in with horrible results. I can't imagine WHAT the grandmother was thinking, though. I'd have to chalk that up to something worse - chronic dirthead, drug abuse, something. Of course, grandma could be bedridden or something but none of it makes sense based on what has been reported. Sounds like this child was treated like a doll. I just can't believe they didn't hear the baby cry out. Probably just didn't want to get out of bed and take care of it. Although any adult who couldn't tell the difference between a baby crying out for attention, hunger or about a dirty diaper vs. being killed is beyond my understanding. Maybe they were deaf (in which case, the baby should have been in the room with them). Horrible. On second thought, given the insanity of the fact, Toad's theory may make the most sense. |
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Both are likely.... one is just more likely than the other. I would leave my child home alone with a puppy long before I would leave my child home alone with a woman. Be honest, would you be more willing to believe foul play if it had been a man alone with the child? Last edited by Toadrax; 08-01-2008 at 12:28 PM. Reason: heh |
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Honestly, I think this young mother didn't want to get her butt out of bed either because she was drugged up or because she was sleep deprived. She ignored the screams of a baby hoping he'd just be quiet and leave her alone - which as it turned out, is going to happen. I suspect the puppy throught this was a toy or a varmint and just ate it. Once it started bleeding - and since it couldn't get away - he just ate it. I know all this is gross but that is what I suspect happened. Where was grandma? Definitely drugged up, I suspect. I can't imagine a grown woman in her right mind would just let a baby scream. That they let a puppy have the run of the house for this length of time is disgusting. They aren't house trained at that age. These people must have been pigs. No offense to pigs.
As to whether I think a man would be more likely to commit a crime - well, I do guardian ad litem work so women don't get a by. If it were a step dad, I might be more likely to believe it was deliberate foul play but Dads vs. Moms - nah, I don't have any real bias. I have seen way too many guys take the fall for their girlfriends/wives, and way too many courts cut a deal with the woman to convict the guy to have much faith that women are likely to be above it all. But I think these were just dirt heads. |
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East Coast,
You may be more right than we want to know. Neglect accusation filed in Tulsa baby's mauling death | NewsOK.com |
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I'm betting the thing was starving and the baby was so filthy it didn't recognize it as human. I also don't believe for one second that a labrador PUPPY would deliberately kill anything it thought was human, although I guess hunger could make it eat anything.
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The police are reporting finding what they believe are "body parts" in the puppy's stomach.
Fortunately, they are investigating this as child neglect. This is absolutely sickening...can we start considering spay/neuter for people? Affidavit points to possible neglect in Tulsa baby's mauling | NewsOK.com
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