Thread: Open Carry, law student owns cop who is ignorant to the law .

Some helpful summaries for our own open/concealed carry statutes:

Everything you need to know about Oklahoma?s new open-carry gun law | News OK

Open Carry | Tulsa World

Authorities Offer FAQ About Oklahoma's Open Carry Law - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com |

Probably a few dozen others published last fall as well.

Originally Posted by Achilleslastand

Open Carry, law student owns cop who is ignorant to the law - YouTube

ooops double post

Originally Posted by Achilleslastand

Open Carry, law student owns cop who is ignorant to the law - YouTube

Wasn't this a couple years ago? So people report somebody is walking around with a gun and the LEO stops the person in question. It sounded like the LEO was respectful and the young kid was being a smart-ass.

Originally Posted by kelroy55

Wasn't this a couple years ago? So people report somebody is walking around with a gun and the LEO stops the person in question. It sounded like the LEO was respectful and the young kid was being a smart-ass.

How so? He was stopped for no reason and he acted respectful

Originally Posted by BoulderSooner

How so? He was stopped for no reason and he acted respectful

He was stopped because people reported a person walking around with a gun. Are you suggesting the LEO not investigate?

Originally Posted by kelroy55

He was stopped because people reported a person walking around with a gun. Are you suggesting the LEO not investigate?

Cops should investigate "crime" and not neighborhood hysteria. Where open carry is legal then the person carrying shouldn't be harassed by law enforcement for simply carrying unless there is probable cause the person is committing a crime. Obviously the cops in this stop agree since they let the guy walk without incident.

Police are hired to protect our rights not to harass us for exercising those rights.

Originally Posted by Stew

Police are hired to protect our rights not to harass us for exercising those rights.

Almost there. Local police are also hired to provide basic public safety. Something that puts them directly interested with people walking around openly carrying a weapon.

Originally Posted by sidburgess

Almost there. Local police are also hired to provide basic public safety. Something that puts them directly interested with people walking around openly carrying a weapon.

It's not illegal to open carry and the police have no business harassing someone just because they are.

If someone is walking down the street minding their own business should the police be able to stop that person and ask to see their ID?

Originally Posted by sidburgess

Almost there. Local police are also hired to provide basic public safety...

I agree totally. Still A person walking the street open carrying where it's legal should be assumed to be doing so legally unless there's a legitimate cause to think otherwise. Ya know the supreme court thing about the assumption of innocence in the absence of contrary evidence. I can't see how somebody obeying the law can be construed as contrary evidence therefore it should not be seen as a threat to the public safety that a cop needs to investigate.

Originally Posted by OKCRT

It's not illegal to open carry and the police have no business harassing someone just because they are.

If someone is walking down the street minding their own business should the police be able to stop that person and ask to see their ID?

The LEO might have but there was a report on this guy and he was dispatched to investigate. He stopped him, investigated and sent him on his way. Like I asked earlier are you suggesting if an officer is dispatched to a man carrying a gun you think he should wave and drive on by?

Originally Posted by kelroy55

The LEO might have but there was a report on this guy and he was dispatched to investigate. He stopped him, investigated and sent him on his way. Like I asked earlier are you suggesting if an officer is dispatched to a man carrying a gun you think he should wave and drive on by?

Then by that logic if I report a black man walking in my white neighborhood should the cops be dispatched to investigate?

Originally Posted by Stew

Then by that logic if I report a black man walking in my white neighborhood should the cops be dispatched to investigate?

Comparing that to a report of a man with a gun is just ignorant.

Originally Posted by kelroy55

Comparing that to a report of a man with a gun is just ignorant.

Nope, it's not ignorant at all. In both cases there was no crime reported therefore nothing to investigate unless you consider pandering to irrational fears as worthy of a police investigation.

I don't consider a report of a man with a gun to be irrational however reporting a black person in a white neighborhood is not only irrational but it's bigoted and ignorant.

Originally Posted by kelroy55

I don't consider a report of a man with a gun to be irrational however reporting a black person in a white neighborhood is not only irrational but it's bigoted and ignorant.

And reporting an open carry where it's legal to do so is irrational and ignorant.

Originally Posted by kelroy55

I don't consider a report of a man with a gun to be irrational however reporting a black person in a white neighborhood is not only irrational but it's bigoted and ignorant.

How about a repot of a man with a tennis racket. Or driving a car? The report was not that the man was waving a gun or acting crazy. He was wearing a gun. The LEO had nothing to investigate

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm not going to get too deep into this subject just because in other threads i've stated how against open carry I am even though i concealed carry most weekends...

But why would any reasonable person ever find the need to openly carry a weapon in the day and age where we have random shootings, school shootings, etc. If all you want to protect yourself and your family why would you purposely draw all that attention to yourself?


After all the recent events ---- white male walking in the mall with a weapon..


A 5 second call is all it would take for a person to be surrounded by cops. Alot of white males have killed alot of people in recent months in seemingly similar situations.

Originally Posted by OKCRT

It's not illegal to open carry and the police have no business harassing someone just because they are.

If someone is walking down the street minding their own business should the police be able to stop that person and ask to see their ID?

Actually, police are dispatched to investigate incidents all the time that have zero proof of illegal activity. One of the most common dispatches is, "check for suspicious subject" because someone called 911 because they simply think someone is acting 'odd' - not illegal, just odd.

Its also not illegal to be in a short skirt walking up and down South Robinson Ave. and get in and out of cars, but police investigate those fine citizens all day long and often detain them for 10-30 minutes at a time.

Not being argumentative, just throwing it out there.

Originally Posted by WilliamTell

I'm not going to get too deep into this subject just because in other threads i've stated how against open carry I am even though i concealed carry most weekends...

But why would any reasonable person ever find the need to openly carry a weapon in the day and age where we have random shootings, school shootings, etc. If all you want to protect yourself and your family why would you purposely draw all that attention to yourself?


After all the recent events ---- white male walking in the mall with a weapon..


A 5 second call is all it would take for a person to be surrounded by cops. Alot of white males have killed alot of people in recent months in seemingly similar situations.

Yes, that's called profiling WT, I didn't think you supported that? Why the hang-up with white males? Black males kill people daily in cities all across the country in numbers far exceeding their percentage of the population. Just because the high profile events of several victims at once have been by white males, you are suggesting cops do what you claim to despise when it's the other way around, profiling! Hypocrisy. Damn those white males with guns, they've just flat out ruined so many big cities, huh?

Originally Posted by sidburgess

Almost there. Local police are also hired to provide basic public safety. Something that puts them directly interested with people walking around openly carrying a weapon.

Got to disagree with you on this one. Open carry is as legal as eating a sandwich in Oklahoma. As long as the weapon is carried properly (holstered, and not in a banned area) you should not be detained, questioned, etc. by law enforcement. Instead, the officer should inform the citizen who called the police of the points of the law.

Originally Posted by SoonerSoftail

Got to disagree with you on this one. Open carry is as legal as eating a sandwich in Oklahoma. As long as the weapon is carried properly (holstered, and not in a banned area) you should not be detained, questioned, etc. by law enforcement. Instead, the officer should inform the citizen who called the police of the points of the law.

That's all great, except for the fact the law clearly says if you're open carrying in Oklahoma, an officer can request your ID at any time and for no other reason.

Also, as long as the officer is professional and doesn't needlessly harass or detain a person, I personally don't have an issue with it.

I can be legally fishing, hunting, or boating and an officer can legally approach me at any time and request a fishing license, hunting license or check to see that I have life jackets. This gun thing is no anomaly - similar things happen all the time.

Originally Posted by SoonerSoftail

Got to disagree with you on this one. Open carry is as legal as eating a sandwich in Oklahoma. As long as the weapon is carried properly (holstered, and not in a banned area) you should not be detained, questioned, etc. by law enforcement. Instead, the officer should inform the citizen who called the police of the points of the law.

You don't need a license to eat a sandwich in Oklahoma.

Originally Posted by Achilleslastand

Open Carry, law student owns cop who is ignorant to the law - YouTube

It looks like the law student owns the rights to the video, too . . . And apparently Youtube isn't ignorant of that fact.