John Marshal High Principle Quit?

[asta2]

Has anyone else heard that the principle of the "New" John Marshal has resigned? I've heard him mention that the changes that need to be made there were impossible because of the teacher's union and the school board. Can this school ever be "Fixed"? I hate the fact that I live down the street and yet I feel like I have alternative other than pay private school tuition or move.

[Jacob_Daddy]

Part of the problem is that the parents don't have any control over their own children. If you can't make the children mind at home, what makes you think that a teacher can do it in 6 hours a day? Discipline has to start at home.

[mmonroe]

I'm sorry, but speaking from a young'ns perspective, we are THE most disrespectful generation to date. We literally have no respect for anyone, not even ourselves. I fortunately was "home schooled" on etiquette and had it drilled into my head by my mother.

[teacher girl]

yes, the principal "disclosed" it to the asst. a few weeks ago (we were talking about it in my grad class)

i agree about discipline, but unfortuately those without much education don't know how to work with thier own children (not EVERYONE, just my general thoughts from working with inner city children as well as 'burbs with low socio economic status)

i won't even get on my soapbox now...........buy maybe later.

[kevinpate]

Originally Posted by teacher girl

... i won't even get on my soapbox now...........buy maybe later.

It started with tissues, then pencils, then staples and now our teachers are having to buy their own soapboxes ... it ain't right y'all, it just ain't right!

[bombermwc]

If parents would parent instead of just tossing them out the door and letting them learn life for themselves, we wouldn't have issues like this. Money or education don't really have anything to do with it. You can be poor and stupid but still know how to raise your children to have respect for others. How many times do you see lazy parents just trying to push their kids on someone else so they don't have to mess with them? Or yelling at their kids like it's going to make any difference.

Seriously, screaming and beating your child in the middle of Wal-Mart, yeah that's gonna make them turn out right for sure. We've all seen something like that in our day, and I gurantee the children of that type of parent are the ones that end up causing problems later in life.

The really sad part is how many of these "parents" treat their children like that because they blame the kids for altering their lives. HELLO, youre the one that had sex, it's your fault not the kid. If you aren't ready to accept the result of it, then don't do it!!!!! And PLEASE don't reproduce if you are one of these parents!

[East Coast Okie]

You have a point but I can recall when my kids were little they would try to get away with things in public they'd never try, at home. All parents have been through this. I don't disagree with you that having a parental meltdown in Wal Mart is no way to behave - but part of me is sympathetic. Better to haul little junior home and lower the boom on him, in private, certainly. What lowering the boom might entail depends on the situation.

Still, it is hard to practice "time out" when you aren't in control of your environment and the child knows it. Which is why time out is such a great tool for some situations and dismal for others. Not all parents have the temperament or intelligence to use time out effectively. It takes a lot more effort and finese than swats. If you really need to pick up a prescription RIGHT NOW for another sick child and no one is there to watch junior while you stand in line at the pharmacy for junior No. 2's medicine, it isn't like you can simply glare at him and say, "We're going home RIGHT NOW and no happy meal for you!"

As soon as my kids pulled that nonsense in public, the outing was over. It worked, to a point, but wasn't perfect. Some days, the kids were just overflowing with energy. Back in the day, a swift swat to the behind was accepted but that is frowned upon, these days A lot of people think that encourages violence. Truth be told, I am a lot more worried that the little monster will inflict violence on me when he becomes an adult if he is allowed to run wild than if he gets an occasional swat to curtail pitching a fit in Wal Mart. Of course, the screaming and scolding by the parent that frequently goes along with it at the Wal Mart is the real problem, seems to me.

For what it's worth, I see a lot more kids in trouble with the law whose parents were too lax than those whose parents were too strict. Of course, strict is not the same as harsh, granted. All the same, even the harsh parents (within limits) tend to have kids better prepared to deal with this tough old world than the ones who wrap them in cotton, let them run wild and pretend the rest of the world will love them the same way they do... I deal with kids in the court system for a living. The biggest problem most of them have - MOST OF THEM, mind you - is a lack of respect for others. They think the world revolves around themselves and have no feelings of empathy or respect for the rights of others. Kids that are allowed to run wild do NOT transfer the notion that since they should have rights, others should, too. The Golden Rule seems intuitive but it needs to be taught.

Back to swats. Spankings are immediate and get a young child's attention right at the moment the poor behavior is taking place. That counts for a lot with a child. Abuse is abuse but that is a whole different thing than a spanking. I prefer time out but good parents should have a lot of arrows in their quiver.

[ewoodard]

As a teacher, I see many parents that don't want to make their kids mad at them. They want to be friends with their kids. Many parents expect the schools to raise their kids for them, or to be a babysitting service for 9-10 months. I've seen students cuss their parents in front of school personnel many times.
The kids know that the schools can't do much to discipline them. The worst thing most schools can do is to put the student in in-school suspension. State law does not allow out of school susupension to hurt the student's grade. When a student is susupended, they are taken off the roll, and their absence does not count against them. They just get those days off.

[Blazerfan11]

Originally Posted by mmonroe

I'm sorry, but speaking from a young'ns perspective, we are THE most disrespectful generation to date. We literally have no respect for anyone, not even ourselves. I fortunately was "home schooled" on etiquette and had it drilled into my head by my mother.

I think the young germans in the 30s and early 40s were a pretty disrespectful generation

[Karried]

We have a child in our school that has caused consistent problems from Kindergarten through 4th grade.

He slapped my son in the face after he wouldn't tie his shoe for him.. it was all I could do to not call the police and file a charge on a Second grader.

But, I wrote a scathing letter to the teacher and principle letting them know how little I appreciated sending my extremely passive child to a school where a known bully is still welcome. Hopefully, it's still in his overflowing file.

My question is this? What does it take to have a child removed from a school?

This child's mother isn't allowed on campus because she screams at parents and tries to run them over in the parking lot ( you can see where he gets his aggressive behavior!), he has been suspended and expelled more times than I can count.

What does it take? What are the steps to get a problem bully removed? And where do they go?

Luckily, he has laid off of my son but a few days a month, I will pick him up and he tells me that this kid hit or pushed him in the lunch line.

I've talked to the principle but I'm worried that if this kid finds out that my son is 'telling' on him, he will be targeted throughout the next few years and be bullied throughout middle school and high school.

This kid is mean, huge and obese and probably already in a gang - he acts like a criminal already. So, I'm treading lightly and hoping he will go away.

Anyone ever deal with this type of situation? Feels like the Principle/Administration is more concerned with keeping the bully in school than protecting the kids he bullies.

Or are their hands tied too?

[bandnerd]

Hands are often tied. It's almost impossible to get kids kicked out of school unless they commit a real criminal act, as far as I can tell. We've kicked kids out mostly because they won't meet the graduation requirements of our school, and one might have been kicked out for starting fights, but that happens so rarely, I couldn't be sure.

[ewoodard]

If a kid gets kicked out of school then he will enroll in another school. I know of many OKCPS kids that were kicked out and enrolled in surrounding school districts. The state mandates all children will be in school until 16 or 18 years of age. Most alternative education centers will not take elementary aged chldren.

[East Coast Okie]

Originally Posted by Blazerfan11

I think the young germans in the 30s and early 40s were a pretty disrespectful generation

On the contrary - if there was ever a generation that followed orders and simply looked the other way when their authorities told them to, that generation ranks right up there. One of the scariest parts of NAZI Germany was that it was such a civilized, polite society.

[East Coast Okie]

Your problem may be the child's age as much as anything else. A child that age that has not committed a crime on the property is usually left there. I am surprised some sort of home study hasn't been done to see if he qualifies as Emotionally Disturbed. Even so, that doesn't mean they'll send him to the alternative school. When I live (East Coast) one of the main school districts used to let this stuff slide. Not anymore. If a kid coughs, they expell him for spreading germs (exaggeration, obviously). The point is that the local school boards set the practices and policies. Some districts are a lot tougher than others. I am surprised that bullying is being allowed to continue since it has gotten so much attention, nation-wide. When I live, a child is not allowed to simply change schools within the district, once expelled. I see a lot of kids simply not in school, at all. Their parents can't afford private school and the public school won't take them back. Of course, that usually comes only if the child has made threats and has the capacity to carry them out. It is ridiculous that one child can be allowed to be such a disruption to the rest of the students.

[AFCM]

...and the one time a kid being bullied defends himself by landing a shot in the stones, he's suspended. Ironic.

[asta2]

Speaking of parents... That is a huge problem at JM. I spent a whole 3 days there before I had enough. This was the first 3 days it was opened. There was absolutely no parent involvement. I work full time too so spare me that excuse. I agree it's a lack of education on the parents part. Most think they don't have to be a parent between 8:30 and 3 Mon-Fri. Can anyone say anything good about this school? Is there anyway to get the kids from Quail Creek, Summerfield or the surrounding neighborhoods to go there? I've lived in the area for 11 years and do not know of any kids from the area that go there. They go private or move.

[Karried]

Looks like he changed his mind and is back..... he prayed about it and the parents asked him to come back.. so he did.