why are you the moderator of the bricktown wire if you are so negative, no matter what it give us a great place to party and have a great time\

Ummm... welcome to OKC Talk?

Give Patrick some credit. I haven't seen any posts you may be alluding to, but anybody who's anti-Bricktown has good reason. It's become a huge parking lot. "Congrats, now there's yer stinkin urban district and leave us alone..." DOESN'T WORK FOR ME.

Now Bricktown - Prking lots... and you got yerself a winner. Don't you agree, sir?

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yep there is nothing wrong with free enterprise. All major cities have pay parking lots....

heavy on the sir

cause you know????

that u r wrong

you can stay underground like the green door crowd however those same bands end up playing the wormy dog eventcenter ford center ect..........everyone has to make the almighty dollar someday

where is pats defense

Welcome. You have 11 posts. It's great that you feel that way. Bricktown is a great place. It could just stand to be better. Do you disagree?

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Bricktown=good

Lower Brick, ahem, Reno=not so good

Did I just read 6 doubleposts straight... (or not so straight)?

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There is both good and bad things about Bricktown. I was so excited when I worked downtown after they started renovating Bricktown. Now?? I am not so sure that it is heading in the direction everyone thought it would. It has many things to offer, but it also is becoming a hang out for younger people to cause and get into trouble. We were going to open a business there last year and from what we saw spending every moment we could in Bricktown, We decided that there was not enough pull to open there.

I typically don't respond to folks that register on a board for the the main purpose of attacking another member.

Well said Patrick.

Were you wanting to open another tattoo parlor in Bricktown?

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If I was going to open a tattoo shop in Bricktown. I coulda done so. But thanks I might have to reconsider it????

Actually I was thinking a Brothel would go over well in Bricktown. Or maybe a homeless shelter. I like the brothel idea better? I bet I would be a great madaam.

JohnnyBoyOKC, if you spent more time in Bricktown than online replying to your own posts you would know why so many folks on this board are disappointed by the "Lower Canal" development. Why should Patrick be any exception? He's a moderator for the people of OKCTalk, not Randy Hogan. He's entitled to his opinion and it just so happens that he's not a very big fan of what's going on in particular parts of downtown OKC.

You're entitled to your opinion. You have every right to disagree with Patrick and are guaranteed the freedom to express your thoughts; just do so in a respectable manner. Secondly, please consolidate your rants and run-on sentences into just one post. We, the members of OKCTalk appreciate quality, not quantity; which is precisely why we're disappointed with certain parts of Bricktown in the first place.

Personally, I am happy to be experiencing both the "Bricktown", as well as "Lower" Bricktown developments as a guy born in Okc in 1943, though I didn't resume permanently living here until 1970, though I was effectively here during law school in Normal from '65-'68. That said, I absolutely identify myself with Oklahoma City. This is my birth city and the city of my choice.

In the context of this thread, I can only think of the mid-1960s through 1980s and how abysmal it was in downtown Okc in that era ... nothting left downtown but 9 to 5 workers, etc., no shops, all leaving downtown, nothing else but office workers. After 5 p.m., after all office workers were gone, one could make a movie on downtown Okc streets since there would be no vehicular competiton by Okc residents ... it was a ghostown after everyone had left after 5:30 or so. Browns was gone. Rothstchilds was gone. One could hear a pin drop downtown.

Then, a Dallas eatery had the guts to have more hope for Okc than we Okies did in our city and started the Sphagetti (sp?) Warehouse. Then Maps came along, and, after that, one thing has led to another, and the dominos have continued to fall, so far all to the good.

So, sure, if I was a guy having the dough and spending the bucks to invest and take risks with economic developements in either area, maybe I'd take a chance and spend a huge bundle for a much more magnificent archetural edifice than we've seen so far ... and don't misundestand, I'd love to see one or more archetural landmarks being built ... but, I don't have the bucks, and so I'm left watching those who do, and all the time, remebering that it is their money being set, not mine.

I'm just a little guy on the outside of the moneyed guys who is in the position of wondering ...

... is my pleasure in being an Okie City resident better today than it was 20-30 years ago ...

... and the answer is an absolute YES!

But perhaps some of you in this thread feel differently and know better, and that's fine. Go for it! Put your money where your mouth is and make Oklahoma City proud!

I'm perhaps less strident in what I have needed to change my perspective in being embarrased by the city that was my home 20-30 years ago to my today's busting my buttons in pride to calling the same place my home.

I am just loving that Oklahoma City is having so much postive development and, even if not Chicago-style elegantly, very very nicely, nonetheless. Bricktown and lower.

I love my town. And I love my state, as well as the Centennial "Oklahoma Rising" song, dissed by the Gazette and others. My thought is that, "You're doing fine Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City, OK ...

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Tattoo parlor, homeless shelter?... are we talking about the same Bricktown?

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doug you forgot about the bricktown haunted warehouse. First gamble in bricktown.....It was'nt a dallas company that brought in spagatti warehouse it was WOW JIM BREWER, that man everyone bitches about. just like he put in OBRIENS to show that a club could work in bricktown......OBriens never went out of business he just got tired of running it and he didnt want his sons in the nightclub business

Yes, the haunted warehouse preceeded Spaghetti Warehouse, as did some other items, but I really do believe that the latter provided the the spark that got things rolling. A once-a-year halloween activity wouldn't have the potential to do that, I wouldn't think. Maybe you are right about Brewer getting the Dallas eatery to locate, I really don't know about that.

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People don't bitch about Jim Brewer, they bitch about Randy Hogan. Brewer's only problem is high lease rates. Hogan is a much bigger offender.

And you're right Doug, Spaghetti Warehouse was a huge gamble and it payed off.

Ahhh yes... Jim Brewer. The Agrigate Mogul of Bricktown Surface Parking Lots That Charge You an Arm and a Leg to Park Your Rolls Royce...... that dude.

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My thoughts on Lower Bricktown, for what they're worth:

I'm not a big fan of the new developments but I don't think they're awful either. I think if one was to buy the parking lots fronting the canal around Sonic, Toby Keith's, Courtyard, and Bass Pro and redevelop them as new brick buildings (like the ones further north) with a mix of retail/restaurants/lofts/offices then Lower Bricktown would look alright. It wouldn't be perfect but it can be saved. Consolidate all surface parking into one garage (maybe in between Sonic and Courtyard?) and that would be a huge improvement. The only surface parking that should be allowed is in front of Bass Pro with new buildings fronting the canal where Bass Pro's lot extends. Turn the little stream into a "gateway" in between the new buildings through the small parking area to the entrance of Bass Pro. And then once I-40 becomes and new avenue develop urban-scale mixed-use buildings along it including in areas behind (or in front of) Toby Keith's and the Harkins Theater. The new blvd. give LB a lot of potential to right itself, I just hope developers will be on board to do it. Shouldn't the city/mayor get involved and demand higher quality developments in such an important tourist area?