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Originally Posted by solitude
I mean health care for all - not just the poor. You wouldn't be paying for the poor - you would be paying for yours.
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Ah.. okay, who pays for the poor then?
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Keep in mind every industrialized western country has some kind or another of national health care and looks at our system as barbaric. We lag far behind in just about every single health barometer.
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Yes, because we should endeavor to be more like France.
Keep in mind most of these industrialized western countries define themselves as being socialist. Despite having a Democratic party which would lean that way, we have not managed to reach that point as of yet.
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The East Coast Okie response was way off the mark from what I'm talking about. The USA is UNIQUE (only one) who ties health care with employment. What does one have to do with the other except it being a part of our bizarre labyrinthian medical care sysyem? Our jobs have become "home base" for our health care --- WHY? It's that way only because, "it's always been that way." And the thinking that baffles me (you used "mentality") is the thinking that one should have to stay in a job simply because it offers health care benefits they can't afford to lose because they would be uninsurable if they left. That's a good system? You don't understand a "mentality" that thinks there's a better way - as the rest of the world has managed to do?
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Our jobs are tied to our health care because it's more economically efficient for health care providers and employers to do it that way. Further, if you want a decent PPO, you can go and buy one yourself. This "lack of access" to medical insurance because of your job thing is a myth -- at least in Oklahoma.
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]and your damn right one should be able to pursue the job of their dreams! We are not slaves. To pursue the best one can be is a basic and fundamental libertarian concept - an American concept!
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It is not a libertarian concept that I could ever expect anyone else to subsidize my lifestyle or my pursuit of my dreams. Having the right to achieve those things for myself and the right to make the choices that get me there is a libertarian concept. I shall live for no man and I shall not ask any other man to live for me.
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- and yes, a right! What does "free" mean? In fact, it's called the "American Dream!" Is everyone capable of doing more than your example of dead animal cleanup? No, but they should be able to quit and flip burgers if they want. There's no reason in the world health care shouldn't be portable. What job you have at any given time shouldn't have anything to do with it.
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Insurance companies are private entities. Why should the be forced to do business in a certain inefficient way just because you want them to? They exist to make a profit, not to make you feel more 'free.' You are free of course to go with the many single-payer plans out there. They do exist.